Awesome, Thank you for looking into it, I know most of the other lists im on 
have a footer/trailer so not so sure about the spam issue, however is 
understandable if its a software issue.


> On May 30, 2019, at 6:29 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Neal,
> 
> I can't tell if we can add a trailer to our mails, I suspect this is 
> 'forbidden' by The ASF just because it may trigger the spam detector - I 
> would not be surprised if it was so -. I will ask Apache infrastructure team 
> to see if we can do better.
> 
> In any case, I have updated the web site, with explicit directions.
> 
> 
> On 30/05/2019 01:41, Neal Lawson wrote:
>> With all regards, we could do better, we really SHOULD have a footer with 
>> the link, and frankly the list serve we are using should honer the 
>> established standard of “unsubscribe” , if the software is not cabable  of 
>> this, we should move to using a package that can or google groups..  we can 
>> do better with this, and just using the excuse of RTFM or or blowing people 
>> off is not appropriate .  Never assume our users know how to get off of a 
>> list that uses non-standard methods….
>> 
>> This is a failure on our part.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Brian Burch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 29/5/19 7:27 am, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R wrote:
>>>> I did state that I was used having that information in a footer, and was 
>>>> told to simply reply unsubscribe.  As far as the fucking manual goes, I 
>>>> did not know where that lives, either.
>>>> So, Emmanuel, I will NOW perform the correct fucking action, and send an 
>>>> email to [email protected].
>>>> Yours for direct, non-wimpified communication.
>>>> Richard Roberts
>>> That was a very rude reaction, Richard. I hope the rest of your business 
>>> communications are more polite..
>>> 
>>> Emmanuel and his developer colleagues were very patient with you and the 
>>> other unsubscribers. Emannuel works very hard on this project and cares 
>>> very much about it, so the many clueless emails I have just waded through 
>>> have wasted all our valuable time.
>>> 
>>> We all know how to unsubscribe because we have been members of many other 
>>> automated mailing lists during our professional lives.
>>> 
>>> However, I simply typed "how to unsubscribe from an apache mailing list" 
>>> into google and was presented with a clear answer.
>>> 
>>> I have to conclude you preferred to trigger an argument, rather than do the 
>>> slightest amount of work.
>>> 
>>> Emmanuel is French, which you might not have noticed. RTFM is so much a 
>>> part of technical jargon and shorthand that he should NOT have been 
>>> insulted with genuine Anglo-Saxon expletives by a native English 
>>> (American?) speaker. Shame on you...
>>> 
>>> .. and goodbye from our mailing list.
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Neal Lawson <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 2:54 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
>>>> Well there’s that, however most listservs’ do honer the age old 
>>>> Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We 
>>>> should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for 
>>>> easy reference!
>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <[email protected]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>>>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>>>>> They simply don't RTFM...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 

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