It feels like everybody agrees this is a good idea, but somethings hasn't been discussed so far: the Foundation already has 2 ways of recognizing members of the community:
1. by making them "committers" 2. by making them members of the PMC If Groovy Champions is going to be different, we need a good explanation why it doesn't fit in those 2 categories. Especially to give to the Board. I have my ideas why, but I'd like to hear what others say. 2018-02-26 8:55 GMT+01:00 Søren Berg Glasius <soe...@glasius.dk>: > @Mario > > Very good thoughts, I really like the idea that an award is permanent, I > believe that goes for Java Champs as well. > > Naming wise, Groovyssimo is fun, but not naming material for an award :-) > But we need to narrow down the name-space to something realistic that can > be voted on. > > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 08:50 Mario Garcia <mario.g...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> +1 to what Guillaume said :) Common guys! Lets focus on what we think is >> a great language and let others think what they want! >> >> Regarding the duration of the award. I've though about it, trying not to >> think in terms of annually or permanent, but trying to see what's out there >> outside the CS world, and I ended up thinking on the Nobel prize. I'd like >> some ideas of Nobel prize: >> >> - Takes place every year >> - A given prize could be vacant a given year. >> - It's so important that it's really noticeable to be awarded >> - Makes people very proud of some achievement they did a given year >> - Once you're a Nobel you will always be a Nobel. >> - Of course there's been awarded people that even rejected the prize >> but that never really underrated the prize overtime >> - New members are chosen by previous members and some other relevant >> people (members of the parliament among others). Here I'd add the >> idea of letting anybody to propose a nominee, but leaving the final >> decision to the prize committee (whatever we decide who is in) >> >> Despite the difference of content between the Nobel prize and the Groovy >> awards, after reviewing these points I think they seem to fit better in the >> Groovy Champions/Stars idea. There is also something I haven't heard yet. I >> guess this will require a kind of permanent organization, e.g. to contact >> members, nominees, organize the awards, a web to show the winners...etc >> >> BTW: Here you have another naming for the awards: Groovisimo Awards. Can >> you imaging a "Groovisimo" statue like the Oscars ? It would be a blast >> XDDDD >> >> My two cents >> Mario >> >> 2018-02-25 10:53 GMT+01:00 Guillaume Laforge <glafo...@gmail.com>: >> >>> James Stachan's quote has really been taken out of context, and >>> over-exagerated bu the Scala-fanboys. >>> If Scala had been what it is now, James would probably not have >>> initiated Groovy *then*. But Scala was nascent just like Groovy *then*. >>> It's like if Gavin King had said that he wouldn't have invented >>> Hibernate if JPA had existed... but JPA came ten years later. >>> >>> This quote was really harmful, but as the saying goes, lots of water's >>> gone through the bridges since then. >>> >>> There's still the myth of slowliness, which we all know is not true >>> anymore, even in pure dynamic mode (without even mentioning static >>> compilation) >>> Usually, you spend way more time in network latency (access to remote >>> resources, access to database, etc) than waiting for the CPU spent by just >>> the pure language execution time. >>> >>> Also back on James Strachan: he went to play with Scala, then with >>> Kotlin, and has come back to using Groovy. >>> He's using Groovy on a regular basis through his work with Jenkins, its >>> pipelines, etc. >>> So he's back at his old love! >>> >>> So let's turn the page on those stories, please. >>> >>> Guillaume >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Daniel Sun <realblue...@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The creator of Groovy said "I can honestly say if someone had shown me >>>> the >>>> Programming in Scala book...". I think he compared Scala with the old >>>> version of Groovy he created in about 2003. As we all know, Groovy has >>>> evolved a lot, so I never care about others' out-dated opinions on >>>> Groovy :) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Daniel.Sun >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://groovy.329449.n5.nabble.com/Groovy-Users-f329450.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Guillaume Laforge >>> Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President >>> Developer Advocate @ Google Cloud Platform >>> >>> Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/ >>> Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+ >>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts> >>> >> >> -- > Best regards / Med venlig hilsen, > Søren Berg Glasius > > Hedevej 1, Gl. Rye, 8680 Ry, Denmark > Mobile: +45 40 44 91 88 <+45%2040%2044%2091%2088>, Skype: sbglasius > --- Press ESC once to quit - twice to save the changes. >
