The other thing you have to think about here is...

If people are using RC on a webhost.  And there mail is also included with 
there webhost. And the only forum of help is email.
That\'s taking up there allowed bandwith.  Which sucks.

i\'m 100% for forums.  You made some really good points here.  And i honestly 
feel that the people should make a forum. Weither it\'s
supported by RC or not.  This project has a good ways to go, with unlimited 
endings and modifications.

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:29:33 +0000, Geoffrey McCaleb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> With all due respect, a forum is not for you, its for the users. I know
> that sounds rude, but it isn\'t! A wiki is a great replacement for
> documentation, but Roundcube still needs a way to provide support to users
> who need help. Wiki\'s are not the place for asking questions, but as a sort
> of end point of all user and system knowledge.
> 
> If mailing lists are your preferred way to communicate for the community,
> then thats great! But what you need out of communication, is different
> from how I, for example, use it. Me? I personally loath mailing lists
> because my inbox gets stuffed with loads of threads, some I may be able to
> help with, some not. Also, if I unsubscribe, then I have to hack through
> the archive to see what I missed. What if I want to respond to a
> particular thread? Then I have to go through the process to subscribe
> again. With a forum, you chose what you get involved with, and if you
> leave its easy to pick back up again later.
> 
> But crucially, with a forum, you can do two things: first it cuts down on
> mailing list traffic because users have a different outlet for their
> queries. Second, over time the knowledge available on threads can be
> pushed upwards into the wiki. Over time, the wiki will still become the
> defacto knowledge center.
> 
> If you think about it, you have two fundamental streams of people.
> Developers and Users. Most Open Source projects keep these streams
> separate for a reason.
> 
> Users: forums -> wiki
> Developers: mailing lists -> wiki
> 
> With of course bug tracking working across the both.
> 
> Anyway, all I\'ll say is I\'m open for people to disagree, as long as they
> understand that the two streams  can and should be seperate. I don\'t see
> why the two can\'t co-exist peacefully. I mean, if you asked us, I\'m sure
> there would be agreement that the developers should lurk where they feel
> most comfortable. I mean, without them (and you Thomas), there would be no
> Roundcube!!
> 
> Thoughts anyone?
> 
> Geoffrey
> 
> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:59:12 +0100, Thomas Bruederli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>> I am happy to setup and host a forum, as long as there is a consensus
>> that it is needed. I have no desire to splinter the community though.
>>
>> The decision to use mailing lists was made some time ago and I don\'t
>> like to have multiple forums that I need to check periodically.
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oh yeah!



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