> On Nov 17, 2017, at 3:49 AM, Salz, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I was there and I disagree with your characterization.

I watched the entire session after the fact, I stand by my
assessment that the conclusions were premature.  I've been
focused on this space for ~15 years now, so I am probably
not making stuff up...

We should also keep in mind that as DANE and STS gain more
adoption, it will be the "NO" case that will be far more
useful to the majority of users.  The "YES" case will see
very little use.  In particular email reports from the
"tlsrpt" draft, will need "NO", to make sure they get to
the problem destination, despite their expired or otherwise
invalid certificates, disabled STARTTLS, ...

-- 
        Viktor.

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