OK, piercings, but NO communists. And we wouldn't hold you down and beat you with sticks; we'd give you a ten-minute head start and then come after you with pitchforks.
You're probably right about the majority here being over 30 wid families; hell, I am over 55 wid family. But if there was a space, I could find time during the week to get off the farm here and see what folks are doing in the space and maybe help out with some projects, especially if they involve firearms and explosives. Good thoughts... Warmest regahds, Old Farmer Davy Pavilion Farm (1806) Montpeculiar, Vermont On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, H. Kurth Bemis <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 13:03 -0400, Rion D'Luz wrote: > +AD4 On Wednesday 06 May 2009, Josh Sled wrote: > +AD4 +AD4 Kevin Thorley +ADw-elron8711+AEA-GMAIL.COM+AD4 writes: > +AD4 +AD4 +AD4 I tend to think that the answer to number > +AD4 +AD4 +AD4 two depends on the answer to number one. > +AD4 +AD4 > +AD4 +AD4 Right. My take was that there's not enough (collaborative) > hacking to > +AD4 +AD4 justify growing into a dedicated space, or that isn't served by > people's > +AD4 +AD4 existing spaces. I hope something like the Arduino night +IBM if > sustained > +AD4 +AD4 +IBM can help change that. > +AD4 +AD4 > +AD4 > +AD4 Simple clinical observation would bear your sentiments out, josh and > kevin+ADs but is it true? > +AD4 > +AD4 Or has the concept just not been developed sufficiently? Would > hackers from outside of > +AD4 chit. co be interested in attending/supporting burl. events? > +AD4 > +AD4 Or, does our situation reflect not so much interest as much as > developing a decent battle-plan? > +AD4 Less about +ACQ and more about commitment levels. > +AD4 > +AD4 CC/IS has its limitations. The space is not THAT large, the pipe is > kind of narrow (BT). Even > +AD4 the principals of that .org had debated moving to a larger space. But > it is a place and > +AD4 pretty much shovel-ready. > +AD4 > +AD4 So, to me, the ? is +ACI-is there the will provided that there is a > way+ACI? > +AD4 > +AD4 Rion > +AD4 > +AD4 > +AD4 > > (sigh) > > I've watched this thread since it was started, and at times, offered my > direct, first hand experience with another space (Foulab). > > Have you contacted any other hacker/diy groups in Vermont? There was a > 2600 meeting last Friday, did anyone goto that meeting and talk up the > idea of starting a space? I believe there's also a locksport club in > Vermont (I can't find them ATM) and a DefCon group as well. I would > open a dialogue with those groups before thinking about the space > needed. > > As far as I can tell, there's no community here. Maybe I'm wrong. But > without a community you're going to have a space that is dead and > stagnant. No offense to VAUGEers, but most spaces consist of hackers > under 30 or so. Iget the impression that this list consists of a large > group of people that are over 30 and have families. I don't think > you're going to be able to generate enough interest from this group to > get the space off the ground. You're going to have to connect with the > established groups and see what they're up to and if they're interested. > Even if they are communists. Even if they have piercings. And more > importantly, even if you don't agree with their motives or opinions. > > Again - without a core set of guideline about what the space does, what > it stands for, etc. you are not going to generate enough interest to get > people to shell out +ACQAJAAk every month. I know you have an idea of an > open, community workshop or something similar to that, but just like > marketing, you're going to have to properly identify your audience and > then appeal and connect with them. Only after that will the opportunity > to start a space present itself. > > If +ACo-I+ACo were trying to get a space started, I would begin by getting > the > word out that you were interested in meeting other > hackers/diyers/makers. Begin +ACo-WEEKLY+ACo meetups (this is community > building) with members. Pick one time, stick to that one time. If you > watched the Hackerspaces video I've mentioned several times previously, > you will know that the best time is Tuesday nights. :+AF0 After a few > months, you'll have a good idea of real interest by the members that > keep coming back, time and time again. Then begin a discussion about > obtaining a space that works for the group. > > When did +ACI-Build it and they will come+ACI ever work for anyone other > the > then United States prison system? Build the community, the hackerspace > will follow and will be practically effortless, as the momentum of the > community will carry you along. Many hands make light work. > > It's unfortunate that I'm in the southern part of the state and hardly > ever make it to Burlington (other then to pass through to Montreal), > because I'm sure some of you would like to hold me down while the others > hit me with a sticks. If I were in the area, I would be taking a much > more active role with organizing and community building and such.....and > I would wear padding. :P > > That said, I'm am more then willing to lend a hand in any way I can. > > +AH4-k >
