Same to me! Qmail has been a great piece of software in the past but its definitly to old in the meanwhile an I hate doing all the patch stuff to get an almost up to date smtp-server. But as far as i know the only way to integrate it with postfix is a qmail backend :-( So I think i have to look for a different solution for the future.

Alex Borges wrote:

So hollistic has this "internet" of humans has become.

I was actually trying to research how to make vpopmail work with postfix
because i HATE the way (or lack thereoff) we have in qmail to put an
extra email in each email sent (like a disclaimer or non disclosure text
in each email).
It seems postfix has a very well documented way to do this, and it seems
ive found a page (in italian) that tells me its also doable in qmail...

Im tired of relying on web pages i scarecely know off to fix my qmail
problems. I want to move to postfix because its so well documented.

So, where can i find the documents to move my vpopmail install from
qmail to postfix?

On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 14:37 -0400, Steve Cole wrote:
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 14:18, Listas barbarojo wrote:

It has been developed in a modular way that makes it extreamly easy to add
functionality to it and much more.
Wrong. I has been developed in such a way that functionality has to be added in the form of patches, and it is suffering greatly from age now. qmail is very powerful and vpopmail makes it relatively simple to use, but it is stagnant, old, hard to use without patches and just plain old doesn't work at all if you try to use the original source on a modern system (it'll fail to compile or do strange things).

DJB let this baby into the wild, but didn't allow it to find its own way. If it weren't secure and relatively well supported, it would die. I'll go a step further, if it hadn't been a godsend in 1996 compared to Sendmail, it wouldn't have gone anywhere. But, times have moved on! DJB should let it go under some license - maybe BSD or GPL, so that the community can do something with it. UCSPI-TCP and Daemontools, too.

It's also hard to program for. A lot of DJB's code relationships are like a foreign language. Not that it's wrong, just that it's difficult.
Qmail is a master piece, I can assure you that. I don't know why most of
the distributors do not include qmail but nobody can deny that qmail has
became the most powerfull and secure mailserver ever and has been growing
very very fast.
It was a masterpiece in 1996. Now it's just a solid mail server with just enough functionality added by patch maintainers to get the job done. No doubt it's a workhorse, I have at least 10 machines using qmail for Internet e-mail, but I've seen strange things in the 9 years I've been using it.

I'm relatively happy with vpopmail + qmail + patches, but saying that qmail is some wondrous software package is bunk. It's looking mighty old these days... vpopmail and qmail should be one package that gets distributed along with modernization patches, and it would be that way if DJB didn't have his claws of death on a piece of code that he last updated in 1997. That's abandonment, and the software really is starting to creak in terms of relevancy. (go to, i'm the one who designed the look of it... don't blame me if you don't like the layout, though...)

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