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I think this is a good direction as well.

Andy - thanks for moving it forward.

Josh

On Monday, May 07, 2012 2:17:43 PM Andy Kurth wrote:
> I agree too.  I believe we can request a new CMS site without
> affecting the existing website/Confluence.  The "getting started"
> instructions are here:
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
> 
> I have created a new Jira component called "project website (Apache
> CMS)" and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion
> commits:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583
> 
> I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and
> create the infrastructure Jira request.
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy
> 
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony <mill...@ecu.edu> wrote:
> > I agree, might as well use what Apache says.  Just to provide
> > alternatives, though, the current name for such things is "static site
> > generator".  Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on
> > many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a
> > reaction to "heavy" solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the
> > current popularity of Github).  Here's a site which lists many such
> > tools:
> > 
> > http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Tony Miller
> > Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University
> > mill...@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu]
> > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM
> > To: <vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org>
> > Cc: <vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
> > 
> > On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> >> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <acob...@amherst.edu> 
wrote:
> >>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really
> >>> useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement,
> >>> i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server
> >>> space to run any type of CMS?>> 
> >> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
> >> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
> >> vcl.apache.org.  Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
> >> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
> >> More info is here:
> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
> >> -and-
> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
> > 
> > Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason
> > not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates
> > are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
> > 
> > Aaron Coburn
> > 
> >>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are
> >>> considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend
> >>> a
> >>> system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and
> >>> whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The
> >>> downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle
> >>> software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve
> >>> static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also
> >>> recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best
> >>> for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based
> >>> updates
> >>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
> >> 
> >> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
> >> requirement.  We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
> >> 
> >> I'm not familiar with Sphinx.  It looks like at least one other
> >> project is using Sphinx:
> >> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
> >> 
> >> -Andy
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fapee...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> >>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
> >>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
> >>> 
> >>> Aaron
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <andy_ku...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> >>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL)
> >>>> could
> >>>> use some improving.  It is automatically generated from the
> >>>> Confluence wiki site
> >>>> (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm
> >>>> not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked
> >>>> quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing
> >>>> up.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help
> >>>> from
> >>>> anyone interested.  The first step would be to decide on an
> >>>> underlying platform/CMS.  I have nothing against Confluence but
> >>>> the
> >>>> ASF is moving away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management
> >>>> System".  More information is here:
> >>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
> >>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
> >>>> 
> >>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to
> >>>> the ASF CMS.  See the bottom of the wiki page:
> >>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
> >>>> 
> >>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue.
> >>>>  Thoughts?
> >>>> 
> >>>> -Andy
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Aaron Peeler
> >>> Program Manager
> >>> Virtual Computing Lab
> >>> NC State University
> >>> 
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