For any type of fishing, a drawback of long-shanked hooks is the 'crow-bar' effect. The pull against the eye of the hook is transferred to the bend with the shank acting as a lever against the fish's jaw. This can do a lot of damage to the fish if hooked solidly (wallow out a hole), or bend the shank, or leverage the bend and barb right out of the hook-set hole- again damaging the fish in the process. The bigger and stronger the fish is, the worse the problem is.
A short shank hook keeps a hook-set better, especially with fish that roll. I've never witnessed a tuna rolling, though, LOL. (Shhhhhhh.... I have a new shrimp pattern in a tube design because I wanted to get away from long-shanked hooks just to get a tying platform.) Hooks can be selected for the quarry and fishing circumstance rather than pre-tied into the fly. You can change during fishing as you see the need. You may want to try a double hook, or a circle hook, or a smaller hook, etc., or change from freshwater bronze to saltwater alloy. Or, you can fish bronze hooks in saltwater, which would allow the hook to dissolve quickly if a fish breaks off, and you don't have to worry about a bronze hook corroding underneath the materials in a saltwater-fished fly. The tube-fly can also side up the tippet to get it away from the teeth once the hook-set is made. If the fly is tied on the +-side of neutral bouyancy, a broken off fly will float to the surface. But if you want this fly to sink while fishing, a heavy hook and some brass beads between the hook and tube will get it down to the fish, as in fising for Spanish Mackeral running 15' down. A tiny bit of foam glued into the end of the tube will keep a big hook from prematurely backing away from the tube during a strip-stop retreive or a long sink to the zone. Tube flies can also be tied articulated, actually stacked. For example, you could have a 2-part squid (tentacles + eyes/mantle) in different colors to mix&match. There's some web-sites showing articulated tube flies- just Google them up. Just my 2 cents worth. Back ito my padded cell. DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Paulson To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 12:51 PM Subject: RE: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies Many tube diameters can hold the hook by itself. I also glue a larger diameter tube over the smaller tube the fly is tied on for large hooks. This is actually preferable as the rubber tubing doesn't hold the hook well for hooking (IMHO). The reason many people in Europe use treble hooks is that salmon are very good at throwing a single hook. I fished Norway this year and can attest to that. I also think that salmon are good at this cause they know if landed, they are going to get bonked. I must admit to not understanding this, especially the killing of grilse. However, my buddy from London landed a 20 pounder (netted by me) that was released! There are many short-shanked, large-gapped hooks available now for tube flies. For a great source of tubes, check out: http://www.hmhvises.com/tubesconeshooks.htm Jay From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ashley strutt Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:14 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies I know that a lot of people like to use single hooks for their tubes, I notice that Partridge market them. I also remember Deb, who used to be on the list, saying that she liked to use tubes for Bluefish tied on plastic tubes because when the fish takes the fly slides up the leader and if the leader breaks she can just pick up the floating fly. Although I thought that tubes were held in place at the tube/hook join by a length of rubber tubing. Ashley On 9 November 2010 19:01, Jay Paulson <rustyh...@centurytel.net> wrote: In Atlantic Salmon fishing, tube flies allow the use of a small treble hook or double hook - much used over there. Here in the Pacific NW, tube flies are a great way to build a long fly with little weight and to put a small hook at the back. For my dries, tubes allow me to build large flies without using ungainly hooks. I throw dry flies for steelhead up to 3 inches long. Articulated flies are also used a lot, but I have some reservations about the hooking abilities of them. Tubes hold the hook rigidly and, I feel, hook more consisitently. Jay From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Blake-Hedges Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:56 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies Hi All; I still don't see the advantages to tying a tube fly versus a conventional fly, can someone point out why you would want to tie a tube fly? Wayneb --- On Tue, 11/9/10, Hans Weilenmann <hans.weilenm...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Hans Weilenmann <hans.weilenm...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 9:23 AM Like this set maybe? http://www.danica.com/flytier/jshumakov/jshumakov.htm Cheers, Hans ==================== You have a Friend in Low Places ==================== Hans Weilenmann, The Netherlands http://www.danica.com/flytier ================================================================= -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. 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