Hi Deb:
Nice to hear from you.
I sure miss your comments and hope you can find the time to participate
more.
Thank you,
Alan Di Somma
You know your a redneck when:
You have the local taxidermist on speed dial...
http://www.azflyfishing.net/
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From: <[email protected]>
To: "VFB Mail" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 4:22 PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: now tube flies- reply
Hey, Ashley! Forgive me I don't know how to use this list very
well. I do like to use tube flies on the Blues. They do have a
junction tube connecting the hook to the tube with the crease fly
pattern I tie but the Blue fish didn't seem to have any problems
dislodging the fly if you get my meaning. LOL I have used them for
bass and pan fish also. The junction tubing isn't always necessary
(dependent on the pattern) but I liked Don O's idea of putting a bit
of foam into the end of the tube to replace the bobber stopper idea
they used to use. I may have to test that one out. I tie a lot on
Yuri's tubes and on plastic tubes systems (Yuri also marketed these
shortly before his death) there are a lot of companies out there that
sell very cheap tubing to use for this purpose. There was also
another company marketing a tube system that was somewhat
interchangeable call Eumer tubes but they were ridiculously
expensive. I have a few of them to show when I demo tube flies but I
don't use them. The paint chips off way too easily and they weren't
really good quality like Juri's.
There is a Japanese book out on tube flies by Ken Sawada along with
the two books I'm sure have already been mentioned by Mark Mandell and
Les Johnson and I might mention that Paul Marriner has some nice
examples of both tube flies and waddington shanks in his book. I
could go on listing sources but those are my favorites along with the
websites that have already been mentioned. I've been so tied up with
school and I don't have a lot of time to even keep up with facebook
but you can always tease me out from under my rock with tube flies.
Miss you guys,
Deb
On Nov 9, 9:49 pm, Jack Lehman <[email protected]> wrote:
Tube fly boxes are expensive, so I've found a cheaper alternative. I
use plastic boxes I found in the rifle cartridge section in gun shops.
They are boxes with 20 openings for holding large caliber shells, with a
lid that slides over the whole thing. Works well for those few tube
flies I've tied.
jack
Austin
On 11/9/2010 6:46 PM, Joyce M Westphal wrote:
> Great article. I've never tied a tube fly, but shall make some once
> the Christmas rush is over. How do you keep these in your fly box
> once you've tied them>? Do you attach line with a loop, then run it
> through the tube and thus have it ready when you need it on the
> stream? Inquiring minds want to know. I can speak to the crow bar
> effect..lost several great kings in AK with just that happening.
> They'd jump, swing their heads and then the hook would come flying out
> of their mouths. Got smart and used some rather shorter shanked Fat
> Alberts and egg sucking leeches to overcome the effect. Wish I lived
> close enough for a seminar on this aspect of tying. Joyce
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Don Ordes <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> For any type of fishing, a drawback of long-shanked hooks is the
> 'crow-bar' effect. The pull against the eye of the hook is
> transferred to the bend with the shank acting as a lever against
> the fish's jaw. This can do a lot of damage to the fish if hooked
> solidly (wallow out a hole), or bend the shank, or leverage the
> bend and barb right out of the hook-set hole- again damaging the
> fish in the process. The bigger and stronger the fish is, the
> worse the problem is.
> A short shank hook keeps a hook-set better, especially with fish
> that roll. I've never witnessed a tuna rolling, though, LOL.
> (Shhhhhhh.... I have a new shrimp pattern in a tube design because
> I wanted to get away from long-shanked hooks just to get a tying
> platform.)
> Hooks can be selected for the quarry and fishing circumstance
> rather than pre-tied into the fly.
> You can change during fishing as you see the need. You may want
> to try a double hook, or a circle hook, or a smaller hook, etc.,
> or change from freshwater bronze to saltwater alloy. Or, you can
> fish bronze hooks in saltwater, which would allow the hook to
> dissolve quickly if a fish breaks off, and you don't have to worry
> about a bronze hook corroding underneath the materials in a
> saltwater-fished fly.
> The tube-fly can also side up the tippet to get it away from the
> teeth once the hook-set is made. If the fly is tied on the +-side
> of neutral bouyancy, a broken off fly will float to the surface.
> But if you want this fly to sink while fishing, a heavy hook and
> some brass beads between the hook and tube will get it down to the
> fish, as in fising for Spanish Mackeral running 15' down. A tiny
> bit of foam glued into the end of the tube will keep a big hook
> from prematurely backing away from the tube during a strip-stop
> retreive or a long sink to the zone.
> Tube flies can also be tied articulated, actually stacked. For
> example, you could have a 2-part squid (tentacles + eyes/mantle)
> in different colors to mix&match. There's some web-sites showing
> articulated tube flies- just Google them up.
> Just my 2 cents worth.
> Back ito my padded cell.
> DonO
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jay Paulson <mailto:[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2010 12:51 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies
> Many tube diameters can hold the hook by itself. I also glue a
> larger diameter tube over the smaller tube the fly is tied on
> for large hooks. This is actually preferable as the rubber
> tubing doesn�t hold the hook well for hooking (IMHO). The
> reason many people in Europe use treble hooks is that salmon
> are very good at throwing a single hook. I fished Norway this
> year and can attest to that. I also think that salmon are good
> at this cause they know if landed, they are going to get
> bonked. I must admit to not understanding this, especially the
> killing of grilse. However, my buddy from London landed a 20
> pounder (netted by me) that was released!
> There are many short-shanked, large-gapped hooks available now
> for tube flies.
> For a great source of tubes, check out:
> http://www.hmhvises.com/tubesconeshooks.htm
> Jay
> *From:*[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> [mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *ashley strutt
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:14 AM
> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies
> I know that a lot of people like to use single hooks for their
> tubes, I notice that Partridge market them.
> I also remember Deb, who used to be on the list, saying that
> she liked to use tubes for Bluefish tied on plastic tubes
> because when the fish takes the fly slides up the leader and
> if the leader breaks she can just pick up the floating fly.
> Although I thought that tubes were held in place at the
> tube/hook join by a length of rubber tubing.
> Ashley
> On 9 November 2010 19:01, Jay Paulson
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> wrote:
> In Atlantic Salmon fishing, tube flies allow the use of a
> small treble hook or double hook � much used over there. Here
> in the Pacific NW, tube flies are a great way to build a long
> fly with little weight and to put a small hook at the back.
> For my dries, tubes allow me to build large flies without
> using ungainly hooks. I throw dry flies for steelhead up to 3
> inches long.
> Articulated flies are also used a lot, but I have some
> reservations about the hooking abilities of them. Tubes hold
> the hook rigidly and, I feel, hook more consisitently.
> Jay
> *From:*[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> [mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Wayne
> Blake-Hedges
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:56 AM
> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies
> Hi All;
> I still don't see the advantages to tying a tube fly versus a
> conventional fly, can someone point out why you would want to
> tie a tube fly?
> Wayneb
> --- On *Tue, 11/9/10, Hans Weilenmann
> /<[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>/* wrote:
> From: Hans Weilenmann <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Subject: Re: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies
> To: [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 9:23 AM
> Like this set maybe?
> http://www.danica.com/flytier/jshumakov/jshumakov.htm
> Cheers,
> Hans
> ==================== You have a Friend in Low Places
> ====================
> Hans Weilenmann, The Netherlands
> http://www.danica.com/flytier
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