I will try my best to keep active more. :) I'm working on a degree now in Med Lab Tech so I'm busy with clinicals and school. If I remember correctly the Eumer system of tubes were being produced with the help of a group of individuals with special needs so they could have the opportunity to be more independent and work. So that is part of the reason I believe they cost more. They really are unique but a little pricey. If you google Yuri or Jurij Shumakov you will find more sites that he has posted on in the past that have really nice tube fly patterns and information. A couple of years back I was able to trade some patterns with Hakan Norling and he is another great tyer to google. If you're just playing with tube flies you can use q tips and popsicle sticks or coffee stirs to see if you like them. Use a needle or if you have a long shanked eyeless spey hook that works really well to put in a vice and slide the tube on. I think they were the HE2 hooks but I'm not positive about that. Also before investing in a tube fly vice ... which I have... I still prefer to use the HMH tool to tie with because it is less bulky to carry and I can easily switch to a tube fly while using my Dyna King. It's a cheaper way to go and I don't have to carry two vises or a different head for my vise. Tube flies can be very addictive especially if you are looking for a new challenge. They allow you to be a lot more creative with your patterns and placement of your hooks without the constraints of matching a pattern to a hook. They also allow you to change the weight of your pattern and the way it will fish if you start using tube segments also or add cones to the front of your pattern. Try doing that with a hook eye on your pattern. LOL Just leave some tube exposed in the front and you can add a cone head stream side and if the hook is damaged you can just tie another one on and keep fishing. Get the right conehead and it will fit very tightly on the tube you may not even need to tie it in place. The same can be done with a popper foam head much like Cam Siegler uses on his saltwater tubes. Deb
On Nov 12, 1:35 pm, ashley strutt <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Deb, > > Nice to see you drop by, was hoping you would. > > The Eumer tube guys were at the British fly fair a couple of weeks ago. > While I liked the look of the system, I to thought the price was a bit high. > I'm sure I sure a similar system sold by Sparton Tackle in the UK but that > was like years ago. > > I forgot about the Sawada book. > > Ashley > > On 11 November 2010 23:22, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey, Ashley! Forgive me I don't know how to use this list very > > well. I do like to use tube flies on the Blues. They do have a > > junction tube connecting the hook to the tube with the crease fly > > pattern I tie but the Blue fish didn't seem to have any problems > > dislodging the fly if you get my meaning. LOL I have used them for > > bass and pan fish also. The junction tubing isn't always necessary > > (dependent on the pattern) but I liked Don O's idea of putting a bit > > of foam into the end of the tube to replace the bobber stopper idea > > they used to use. I may have to test that one out. I tie a lot on > > Yuri's tubes and on plastic tubes systems (Yuri also marketed these > > shortly before his death) there are a lot of companies out there that > > sell very cheap tubing to use for this purpose. There was also > > another company marketing a tube system that was somewhat > > interchangeable call Eumer tubes but they were ridiculously > > expensive. I have a few of them to show when I demo tube flies but I > > don't use them. The paint chips off way too easily and they weren't > > really good quality like Juri's. > > There is a Japanese book out on tube flies by Ken Sawada along with > > the two books I'm sure have already been mentioned by Mark Mandell and > > Les Johnson and I might mention that Paul Marriner has some nice > > examples of both tube flies and waddington shanks in his book. I > > could go on listing sources but those are my favorites along with the > > websites that have already been mentioned. I've been so tied up with > > school and I don't have a lot of time to even keep up with facebook > > but you can always tease me out from under my rock with tube flies. > > Miss you guys, > > Deb > > > On Nov 9, 9:49 pm, Jack Lehman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Tube fly boxes are expensive, so I've found a cheaper alternative. I > > > use plastic boxes I found in the rifle cartridge section in gun shops. > > > They are boxes with 20 openings for holding large caliber shells, with a > > > lid that slides over the whole thing. Works well for those few tube > > > flies I've tied. > > > > jack > > > Austin > > > > On 11/9/2010 6:46 PM, Joyce M Westphal wrote: > > > > > Great article. I've never tied a tube fly, but shall make some once > > > > the Christmas rush is over. How do you keep these in your fly box > > > > once you've tied them>? Do you attach line with a loop, then run it > > > > through the tube and thus have it ready when you need it on the > > > > stream? Inquiring minds want to know. I can speak to the crow bar > > > > effect..lost several great kings in AK with just that happening. > > > > They'd jump, swing their heads and then the hook would come flying out > > > > of their mouths. Got smart and used some rather shorter shanked Fat > > > > Alberts and egg sucking leeches to overcome the effect. Wish I lived > > > > close enough for a seminar on this aspect of tying. Joyce > > > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Don Ordes <[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > For any type of fishing, a drawback of long-shanked hooks is the > > > > 'crow-bar' effect. The pull against the eye of the hook is > > > > transferred to the bend with the shank acting as a lever against > > > > the fish's jaw. This can do a lot of damage to the fish if hooked > > > > solidly (wallow out a hole), or bend the shank, or leverage the > > > > bend and barb right out of the hook-set hole- again damaging the > > > > fish in the process. The bigger and stronger the fish is, the > > > > worse the problem is. > > > > A short shank hook keeps a hook-set better, especially with fish > > > > that roll. I've never witnessed a tuna rolling, though, LOL. > > > > (Shhhhhhh.... I have a new shrimp pattern in a tube design because > > > > I wanted to get away from long-shanked hooks just to get a tying > > > > platform.) > > > > Hooks can be selected for the quarry and fishing circumstance > > > > rather than pre-tied into the fly. > > > > You can change during fishing as you see the need. You may want > > > > to try a double hook, or a circle hook, or a smaller hook, etc., > > > > or change from freshwater bronze to saltwater alloy. Or, you can > > > > fish bronze hooks in saltwater, which would allow the hook to > > > > dissolve quickly if a fish breaks off, and you don't have to worry > > > > about a bronze hook corroding underneath the materials in a > > > > saltwater-fished fly. > > > > The tube-fly can also side up the tippet to get it away from the > > > > teeth once the hook-set is made. If the fly is tied on the +-side > > > > of neutral bouyancy, a broken off fly will float to the surface. > > > > But if you want this fly to sink while fishing, a heavy hook and > > > > some brass beads between the hook and tube will get it down to the > > > > fish, as in fising for Spanish Mackeral running 15' down. A tiny > > > > bit of foam glued into the end of the tube will keep a big hook > > > > from prematurely backing away from the tube during a strip-stop > > > > retreive or a long sink to the zone. > > > > Tube flies can also be tied articulated, actually stacked. For > > > > example, you could have a 2-part squid (tentacles + eyes/mantle) > > > > in different colors to mix&match. There's some web-sites showing > > > > articulated tube flies- just Google them up. > > > > Just my 2 cents worth. > > > > Back ito my padded cell. > > > > DonO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > *From:* Jay Paulson <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2010 12:51 PM > > > > *Subject:* RE: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies > > > > > Many tube diameters can hold the hook by itself. I also glue a > > > > larger diameter tube over the smaller tube the fly is tied on > > > > for large hooks. This is actually preferable as the rubber > > > > tubing doesn�t hold the hook well for hooking (IMHO). The > > > > reason many people in Europe use treble hooks is that salmon > > > > are very good at throwing a single hook. I fished Norway this > > > > year and can attest to that. I also think that salmon are good > > > > at this cause they know if landed, they are going to get > > > > bonked. I must admit to not understanding this, especially the > > > > killing of grilse. However, my buddy from London landed a 20 > > > > pounder (netted by me) that was released! > > > > > There are many short-shanked, large-gapped hooks available now > > > > for tube flies. > > > > > For a great source of tubes, check out: > > > > http://www.hmhvises.com/tubesconeshooks.htm > > > > > Jay > > > > > *From:*[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > [mailto:[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *ashley > > strutt > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:14 AM > > > > *To:* [email protected] <mailto: > > [email protected]> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies > > > > > I know that a lot of people like to use single hooks for their > > > > tubes, I notice that Partridge market them. > > > > > I also remember Deb, who used to be on the list, saying that > > > > she liked to use tubes for Bluefish tied on plastic tubes > > > > because when the fish takes the fly slides up the leader and > > > > if the leader breaks she can just pick up the floating fly. > > > > Although I thought that tubes were held in place at the > > > > tube/hook join by a length of rubber tubing. > > > > > Ashley > > > > > On 9 November 2010 19:01, Jay Paulson > > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > In Atlantic Salmon fishing, tube flies allow the use of a > > > > small treble hook or double hook � much used over there. Here > > > > in the Pacific NW, tube flies are a great way to build a long > > > > fly with little weight and to put a small hook at the back. > > > > For my dries, tubes allow me to build large flies without > > > > using ungainly hooks. I throw dry flies for steelhead up to 3 > > > > inches long. > > > > > Articulated flies are also used a lot, but I have some > > > > reservations about the hooking abilities of them. Tubes hold > > > > the hook rigidly and, I feel, hook more consisitently. > > > > > Jay > > > > > *From:*[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > [mailto:[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Wayne > > > > Blake-Hedges > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:56 AM > > > > > *To:* [email protected] <mailto: > > [email protected]> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [VFB] was Hello, now tube flies > > > > > Hi All; > > > > > I still don't see the advantages to tying a tube fly versus a > > > > conventional fly, can someone point out why you would want to > > > > tie a tube fly? > > > > > Wayneb > > > > > --- On *Tue, 11/9/10, Hans Weilenmann > > > > /<[email protected] > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. 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