Guess I must be the odd ball. I use the old style pliers as weights to keep stuff from unwinding, for the winding of hackle I use one of several rotary style hackle pliers. My rotary vise I use just to check the off side of a fly or work on the underside of a fly. What ever floats your boat....just make sure the drain plug is in place. Gary S
----- Original Message ----- Don, I agree with you on the old type hackle pliers but I really don't use them anymore since I use the hinge type. I added a bit of shrink tubing on the jaws and that works fine and prevents slipping. One of the things I liked about the old type is you could put your finger in the loop and just twirl it around with the hackle. I liked it for collar hackles When I started tying a number of Parachute flies that is when I went to the hinge pliers and I just never went back to the old ones. We just use what works best for us. Tony On Friday, March 13, 2015 9:18 AM, Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> wrote: Chuck, Seems like you came up with the correct decision to nix the rotary hackle pliers. I have a set and never use them. I also have an old squeeze-spring type with rubber pads, and I’ll use them before the rotary. The rubber pads on the old pliers are the key as they don’t allow the pliers to put a break-bend in the hackle stem, just a ‘soft’ bend at most. The rotary is hard metal and if you put any angle on the hackle while pulling you break the hackle with the crack in the stem that it creates. The old hackle pliers is a spring loop and you can put your finger in the bend and sort of ‘rotary’ the hackle. Secondly, the ‘old’ hackle pliers came in handy with the old short hackles, which is all we had for decades- sometimes took two hackles to tie a fly. With the advent of Hoffman’s, and then Whiting genetics, the hackles are so long that it’s easy to hang on to the hackle tip with your fingers while winding. I’ve just struck up a deal with a local friend here in Nampa to be my videographer and editor. I have been so busy with work I haven’t had time to even keep up with Fantasy Fly orders. But he’s going to assist me in YouTube tutorial videos, DVDs, and other videos I want to do. After we do a rope-dub intro video, we’ll do some fundamental tying tutorials, and I have a list of a dozen fundamentals that I will post videos on, one of them being innovative ways of using Whiting hackles. I’m also going to do a video of my old pool trick shots from 30 years ago. Should be fun. DonO From: Chuck Alexander Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:16 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Rotary Hackle Pliers?? Well, since Allan reminded me that since I have a rotary vise, in theory I already have rotating hackle pliers, and since I hadn’t actually hit the “order” button, I just deleted the pliers and jacked up the number of foam spider bodies I ordered which I KNOW I use all the time LOL.. Chuck From: Neville Gosling Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:41 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Rotary Hackle Pliers?? Chuck: I can't help but laugh, we have been delicately trying to tell you not to bother because we hardly ever use rotary hackle pliers, but you bought both sizes anyhow. Oh, I'm still laughing 😃 Neville (Nev) Gosling "A Minute Worked is 60 Seconds of Fishing Time Wasted" On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Chuck Alexander < chuckalexan...@centurylink.net > wrote: Well, since these are so cheap, ($3.45 and $4.45 respectively) I went ahead and ordered two pair as one has a short handle of about 1 1/2” I think and the other has a 4 1/2” handle with a built in half hitch tool on the end of the handle. Guess it’s the only way I can find out of they are my cup of tea or not. My Daddy did a lot of mechanic work his whole life and he used to tell me “Son, you can’t have too many tools” LOL.. Guess I’ll find out if he was right. In my mechanics tool box and my tool shed, most tools I own I hardly ever use , but when I need them I REALLY need them. Thanks to all, Chuck From: Joyce M Westphal Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:05 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Rotary Hackle Pliers?? I have some, rarely use them, but don't usually use this kind of hackle pliers tip as I find it breaks the hackle more often than the standard pliers tips that come together. I think it is just a matter of preference. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Neville Gosling < nev.gosl...@shaw.ca > wrote: <blockquote> My favourite hackle pliers in most circumstances Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver BC Canada <EZ_Hackle_Pliers.jpg> <blockquote> On Mar 12, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Chuck Alexander < chuckalexan...@centurylink.net > wrote: Folks: I’m getting a fly tying materials order and have always wanted to try a pair of Rotary Hackle Pliers. Do they work good?? Are they better than regular hackle pliers. Only problem I foresee is that after you wrap the hackle, those rotary pliers will hang down a lot farther than normal hackle pliers, making getting your lock in thread wraps behind the hackle would be harder to do than using reg. hackle pliers. Am I missing something there?? Thanks for any pros or cons. They are only $3.45 from Stockard, which is the place I’m ordering from, but if I’ll never use them, that’s $3.45 I could use on something I will use. Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. 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