I missed Joyce's message about tying in the old days. How would a young lady like Joyce know about that. !!!!!!!
I do remember the days before waxed thread on plastic bobbins, vises that turned, bobbins, Zelon, Rayon, packaged dubbing, necks with long hackles, saddles with hackles that can be used for dry flies, hooks smaller than sz 14 and the list goes on.
I could go on about how we tied flies back then but I don't want to bore anyone.
Tony


DonO wrote:

Joyce is sooooooo right on.  New tiers can't remember what it was like
trying to get decent feathers to tie small dries 3 or 4 decades ago.  A size
range on a neck was pickled clean in no time, as many times it took two
feathers to tie a decent dry.  They were harder to tie with, had short sweet
spots, and the finished product didn't look anywhere near what you see
today.  Tying was more of a challenge-turned-frustration than anything else
when it came to small dry flies.  If you had the money back then, you could
wait your turn and maybe get a quality Metz, or at least what we though was
quality, at the time.  Most tiers had shoe-boxes full of necks with the
middles striped out and the rest going to waste, unless they stooped to
trimming hackles when all else failed.  This trimming wasn't ever accepted
commercially because of how webby the larger feathers were, and trimming put
the webs at the tips- not good unless you wanted wet flies.  This was the
motivation for Henry Hoffman and others to start working on the saddles for
dry fly use.

When I got my first 'new generation' Whiting super saddles about 7 or 8
years ago, I was so engrossed in tying with them that I didn't stop tying
dry flies until I had run out of hooks, about 6 or 700 flies later.  I
ignored everything else as I was having so much fun tying with the new
stuff.  Interestingly, I didn't even put a noticeable dent in the saddles I
had after that many flies.  Then I got my first cree.  Wow!  I tied more dry
flies in 6 months (with pleasure) than I had in my entire life (40 years of
tying).

So I for one don't take these new feathers for granted, and Joyce and other
long-time tiers will all agree. I can tie 8-10 flies with one hackle before
I need the hackle-pliers to tie the tip portion.  Even the old tying
instructions for dry fly hackling needed to be revised.

You're right Joyce.
Counting flytying blessings.

DonO

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What a great thing to live and tie today. Don't you just love it? Counting my blessings. Joyce





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