I'll back Jeff on this one other then the kid was 13 at the time if I remember correctly. The self proclaimed pro tier and fly shop owner was a fraud and those with any knowledge of the kid knew it. He would come in the chat room and let loose his lines of bull. Another well used flyfishing site had banned him from the chat rooms all together, I was even there to witness him coming in under an alias and when the chat room host called him out he admitted it was him and was promptly booted from the room. Murf knew all this as well as did many others.
I'll stick with VFB due to the friends I've met. I'm not near as active as I was a few years back but I do love this group. This group helped me get through some really tough times. When I was out of work there was always words of encouragement from my fellow VFBers. When money was tight Byard held a special winger cape for me till I had the money for the purchase. This is a great List and it goes through it's phases as do we all on our journeys through life. I hope to become more active in the coming months and with the starting of our tying group at Church I hope to get back into some swaps again as this will give me some much needed forced tying time. Just sounding off my 2 cents Jim Burbank aka Troutman now enough of this Make sure to read Chucks fishing report!! Great stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Frye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: RE: [VFB] VFB clickish? > With all due respect to all involved, I found the the > youmg Barnett boy to be a self promoting poseuar. He > called himself a professional tyer at age 15 and when > I hosted an emerger swap, he entered a fly that was a > size 6 5x long shank hook wrapped with nothing but > peacock herl. He was a rich kid living a fantasy with > us at that time. I'm sure he has gine on to better > things, but he was mostly full of crap. As a test of > his knowledge, I offered up a supply of imported > jurango fur for him to tie with. Very exotic and > highly prized, smuggled in by a buddy of mine that > travels abroad for his job. Instantly, he could not > live with the albino jurango nor the rare black > jurango. He says, that is so hard to get, I can't > believe you have a source. That was the poker tell. As > you know, there is no jurango. The beasts go by the > names of Boomer and Chipper and had a recent grooming. > I'm a fella that has to call bullcrap when he has to. > Kid is not going to learn to shoot straight if people > feed his BS. I'm not sure he ever knew the difference. > But I wouldn't know as he is a professional fly tyer. > > > --- Neville Gosling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Don O > > > > I beg to differ. I recall a situation last winter, > > when a young VFB member > > Joshua Barnett who had a signature that included > > Editor, The Modern Angler > > Tier and the Back Porch Fly Company who made a > > comment or seemingly (to me) > > harmless remark and none other than our late friend > > Murph jumped all over > > him. I and several other VFB members e-mailed Murph > > off list with words to > > the effect that his comments were not in the spirit > > of VFB and out of place. > > To give him credit, Murph apologized publicly via > > VFB to Joshua but by that > > time Joshua was already gone - never to return. Now, > > I respected Murph and > > tied a fly in his honor when he passed away. The > > point is we all make > > mistakes. This is just one example. > > > > With regard to your questions, I don't think that > > there is a conclusive > > answer to any of them. Many times, different fly > > tiers in different > > countries come up with the same or very similar > > discoveries and techniques. > > Some make claims that they have innovated, invented > > or discovered the > > technique and some don't. > > > > Neville (Nev) Gosling > > Greater Vancouver, BC > > Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of DonO > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:24 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [VFB] VFB clickish? > > > > I've been on this list for a very long time, and I > > can't remember once when > > a newbie to the list popped on and INTRODUCED > > HIMSELF/HERSELF to the list > > and the list as a whole did not welcome him/her > > wholeheartedly. I've even > > seen listers try to talk an 'unsubscribe me' out of > > unsubscribing. I've > > seen Deb and Nick and Chuck and Jimi on and on be > > welcomed so well that they > > became 'one of the family' almost instantly. And > > I've seen them progress so > > fast it's scary. Most of the time a post comes up > > that says 'unsubscribe > > me', with a name I'd never seen before. I'd > > challenge anyone to get a > > friend to sign up, who would INTRODUCE HIMSELF and > > his/her interest in > > tying, fishing, or whatnot, who would not be > > overwhelmingly welcomed by the > > 'GOB' listers that post regularly. I don't see a > > click here, just some who > > regularly post and reply. > > > > I can't keep track of who has unsubscribed, as some > > lurk for a time. I do > > know that the 'healthy' discussions we used to have > > were joined in by a lot > > of people whom we hadn't heard from in a while = > > lurkers. > > > > I've already made my feelings known in the past > > about givers and takers. > > Nothing has changed. THe VFB is great when a lot of > > listers are 'givers'. > > Quit giving, and the list goes dead, like it was > > when the 'GOB diatribes' > > started. If ya git bored, start a thread or a swap. > > Start a materials > > swap. Find some neat materials and give it away to > > other listers. There's > > lots of ways to make the vfb pleasant. Study up an > > a new topic and share > > the information. Post fishing reports- I love the > > photos part. Search the > > web and post neat url's. Staying on topic is easy if > > topics are generated. > > I loved the fish-cam series. > > > > I stayed out of the "who's the best' discussion for > > personal reasons- > > competitions are NOT my thing. > > > > I would much rather a thread named "Notable > > Contributions to Tying". Many > > times the credit for techniques goes unrecognized or > > given erroneously to > > others. Sometimes it's a pattern, and sometimes > > it's a technique. > > > > I have a list of questions I would like answers to: > > > > Who tied the first 'dry fly' ?- intentionally to > > stay afloat. > > Who tied the first hair-wing flies? > > Who tied the first streamer fly? > > Who was the first to spin deer hair? > > Who was the first to wind a hackle collar? > > > > Whoever did these things are noteable contributors > > to tying, because so much > > was built on want they innovated. > > > > DonO > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neville Gosling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:51 PM > > Subject: [VFB] VFB > > > Are we clicky? I think we are to a point. We > > should welcome new members > > more > > > that we do currently. When we go off on tangents > > which I am not > > interested > > > in, I just find the delete key. Perhaps we are > > stale or bored and that is > > > why the conversation has little to do with fly > > tying & fishing. > > > > > Neville (Nev) Gosling > > > Greater Vancouver, > > > B.C. Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/457 - > > Release Date: 9/26/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >
