I'm noy farmiliar with nimiqs and juice. What the heck are they? On Dec 23, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
> so i am all about the fireants, nimiqs and juice etc... extremely > useful and always will be. > i dont make a distinction really that one is better than the > other... it depends on the audience. Ummm... yeah, there's a huge distinction there. Nimiq and Juice do not play video. They certainly do not play any type of video (QT, WMV, SWF, Real, etc.). -josh On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I think there are many benefits to being able to download and cache >> videos for local playback. > > > thats a hard fact. no doubt. > > >> Its nice to be able to play videos when offline >> > > yup. except who here is ever offline? LOL > > >> I'm always clicking around on different videos and I really enjoy >> this sort of >> freedom in my viewing experience. You cannot do this on the web >> without siginifcant latency > > > yes, there is truth to this, but overall as a broadband user... i > dont have problems playing video via the web. so i just dont think > this reason has that much punch. my online experiences feel like > offline experiences.... give or take a video once in a while from > the archive.org :( used to be worse... they are getting better. > > earlier, i described the different types of internet video > consumers... many are like you and others here and many are so > totally not. they enjoy watching videoblogs.... but they can be > just as satisifed with an experience that is web based.... getting > a vlog via email or browsing a directory during a work break... > watching a handful of videos throughout the day... not catching up > on 70 RSS channels. Me... I am a little bit of both. some days, > i watch a ton of vlogs... most days i can only watch 2, 5, maybe 10 > sporatically during the day. I think the growing audience of > Internet Video will be mostly this type.... > > videoblogs on TiVo or other TV tube centric experiences via IPTV > etc is a branch of this topic... and i am not referring to that. > > so i am all about the fireants, nimiqs and juice etc... extremely > useful and always will be. > i dont make a distinction really that one is better than the > other... it depends on the audience. > > sull > > > > > On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> FireAnt for Mac can play FLV, provided that the raw FLV file is >> syndicated, not the SWF wrapper. FireAnt for Windows does not yet >> play >> FLV, but it does play SWF. We are working on improving this. >> >> I think there are many benefits to being able to download and cache >> videos for local playback. This can become especially valuable if you >> want to watch a lot of videos from a lot of different sources... just >> the same way that people use RSS now. Some people like web based >> aggregators, but I've always preferred a desktop RSS reader. Its nice >> to be able to play videos when offline. I use a laptop and carry it >> with me, so my Internet connection is not permanent. Its easier to >> skip around and control your viewing experience when you're dealing >> with local files... its not about "lean back" for me. I'm always >> clicking around on different videos and I really enjoy this sort of >> freedom in my viewing experience. You cannot do this on the web >> without siginifcant latency even when dealing with Google Video (I >> happen to think Google Video is designed to be more of a Lean Back >> experience). >> >> However, not many people are syndicating FLV yet. Maybe because they >> do not want their video to play in another SWF wrapper. Perhaps they >> have some branding or special interactivity included in the SWF >> portion that they do not want to lose in syndication. For instance >> YouTube has a water mark and a few interactive features that are not >> part of the FLV but rather part of the SWF wrapper). Most people >> using >> Flash Video are not individual video creators, but rather >> upload-your-video-here type of services (to do Flash Video well is >> still rather difficult for the individual, there are many steps >> involved and you have to be rather proficient with Flash, which is >> both expensive and confusing). These services are probably not >> fond of >> the download-and-cache model of RSS enclosures because once the file >> is downloaded locally then they cannot track imprressions, which may >> be a core component of their business strategy. >> >> The next thing about Flash Video is that downloading it can be easily >> prevented by a good Flash designer. I'm actually really surprised >> that >> Google made it relatively easy to reverse engineer their process so >> that I could discover the direct download link for the video. I'm >> sure >> they do not want people to know about this loophole if they >> intend to >> get mainstream content owners to put their stuff onto Google (these >> content owners would cringe at the thought of people potentially >> downloading, remixing, redistributing their content). If they wanted >> to make it easy for people to download, Google could have provided a >> simple download link, but instead I took the time to do a little >> hacking with a Greasemonkey script: >> < http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/archives/2005/11/ >> greased_google.php > >> >> This type of hack is not always available with Flash Video. The >> YouTube hack relies on another method, which again is a loophole that >> YouTube could close if they wanted to (and I'm sure they do want to >> based on some of my discussions with them, they probably just haven't >> seen the Greasemonkey script yet). I've looked at Brightcove video >> players and have not yet found a method to download the video files. >> This is certainly by design -- the Brightcove player is an entire >> Flash application, not a video embedded in a webpage, so there is >> very >> little you can discover from a simple "View Source" of the HTML. >> >> I don't buy the argument that its hard for people to install >> Quicktime. Its just as hard to install the latest Flash Player plugin >> if that's the case (the newest Flash Video requires version 8 of the >> Flash plugin). If you are dealing with some sort of corporate >> blockage >> when it comes to installing programs, then you won't be able to >> install Flash plugin either. >> >> All in all I have no problem with Flash Video. I do think however >> that >> it is more often used to restrict the freedom of the viewer and >> control the experience from the point of view of the service provider >> (which may not be the same as the content creator) rather than to >> enhance the experience for the viewer. If I want to download and view >> the video later why shouldn't I be able to? If I want to put it on an >> iPod, why can't I? If I want to aggregate it with other videos so >> that >> I can view things in offline and skip around seemlessly, why not? >> >> -josh >> >> >> On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> My only problem is you can't vlog it because of the flash wrapper. I >>> even tried vlogging the flash wrapper. Doesn't work. >>> >>> I thought I heard something about a greasmonkey script or plugin for >>> uncovering the permalink directly to the video so you can vlog it. >>> But I never followed up on it and seem to have misplaced the >>> reference. >>> >>> -Mike >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:19 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone been keeping up with Google Video? I'm starting to think >>> that it may be a good solution for people who are just starting out >>> or want to incorporate video into their site with links, kinda like >>> people use flickr (an off-site compilation). >>> >>> I just gave it a shot this week. If you have a gmail account, you >>> just login and upload a video. It's pretty much that easy. They have >>> assured me up and down and I have it in writing that they can not >>> own >>> it or do anything if I decide to take the video down one day. >>> >>> The worst part is the verification process which takes at least a >>> day >>> or more. The bit rate is not great though again, from the >>> perspective >>> of making it easy for people to experiment with getting their videos >>> online, in an easy way which may help as a stepping stone to a more >>> dedicated and integrated way of doing it, it seems to be pretty >>> good, >>> for free. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! 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