they are other very early implementations of podcatchers. They do not play media... just downoad managers for RSS enclosures with synchronization to iTunes.
-Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm noy farmiliar with nimiqs and juice. What the heck are they? > > On Dec 23, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: > > > so i am all about the fireants, nimiqs and juice etc... extremely > > useful and always will be. > > i dont make a distinction really that one is better than the > > other... it depends on the audience. > > Ummm... yeah, there's a huge distinction there. Nimiq and Juice do not > play video. They certainly do not play any type of video (QT, WMV, > SWF, Real, etc.). > > -josh > > > On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I think there are many benefits to being able to download and cache > >> videos for local playback. > > > > > > thats a hard fact. no doubt. > > > > > >> Its nice to be able to play videos when offline > >> > > > > yup. except who here is ever offline? LOL > > > > > >> I'm always clicking around on different videos and I really enjoy > >> this sort of > >> freedom in my viewing experience. You cannot do this on the web > >> without siginifcant latency > > > > > > yes, there is truth to this, but overall as a broadband user... i > > dont have problems playing video via the web. so i just dont think > > this reason has that much punch. my online experiences feel like > > offline experiences.... give or take a video once in a while from > > the archive.org :( used to be worse... they are getting better. > > > > earlier, i described the different types of internet video > > consumers... many are like you and others here and many are so > > totally not. they enjoy watching videoblogs.... but they can be > > just as satisifed with an experience that is web based.... getting > > a vlog via email or browsing a directory during a work break... > > watching a handful of videos throughout the day... not catching up > > on 70 RSS channels. Me... I am a little bit of both. some days, > > i watch a ton of vlogs... most days i can only watch 2, 5, maybe 10 > > sporatically during the day. I think the growing audience of > > Internet Video will be mostly this type.... > > > > videoblogs on TiVo or other TV tube centric experiences via IPTV > > etc is a branch of this topic... and i am not referring to that. > > > > so i am all about the fireants, nimiqs and juice etc... extremely > > useful and always will be. > > i dont make a distinction really that one is better than the > > other... it depends on the audience. > > > > sull > > > > > > > > > > On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> FireAnt for Mac can play FLV, provided that the raw FLV file is > >> syndicated, not the SWF wrapper. FireAnt for Windows does not yet > >> play > >> FLV, but it does play SWF. We are working on improving this. > >> > >> I think there are many benefits to being able to download and cache > >> videos for local playback. This can become especially valuable if you > >> want to watch a lot of videos from a lot of different sources... just > >> the same way that people use RSS now. Some people like web based > >> aggregators, but I've always preferred a desktop RSS reader. Its nice > >> to be able to play videos when offline. I use a laptop and carry it > >> with me, so my Internet connection is not permanent. Its easier to > >> skip around and control your viewing experience when you're dealing > >> with local files... its not about "lean back" for me. I'm always > >> clicking around on different videos and I really enjoy this sort of > >> freedom in my viewing experience. You cannot do this on the web > >> without siginifcant latency even when dealing with Google Video (I > >> happen to think Google Video is designed to be more of a Lean Back > >> experience). > >> > >> However, not many people are syndicating FLV yet. Maybe because they > >> do not want their video to play in another SWF wrapper. Perhaps they > >> have some branding or special interactivity included in the SWF > >> portion that they do not want to lose in syndication. For instance > >> YouTube has a water mark and a few interactive features that are not > >> part of the FLV but rather part of the SWF wrapper). Most people > >> using > >> Flash Video are not individual video creators, but rather > >> upload-your-video-here type of services (to do Flash Video well is > >> still rather difficult for the individual, there are many steps > >> involved and you have to be rather proficient with Flash, which is > >> both expensive and confusing). These services are probably not > >> fond of > >> the download-and-cache model of RSS enclosures because once the file > >> is downloaded locally then they cannot track imprressions, which may > >> be a core component of their business strategy. > >> > >> The next thing about Flash Video is that downloading it can be easily > >> prevented by a good Flash designer. I'm actually really surprised > >> that > >> Google made it relatively easy to reverse engineer their process so > >> that I could discover the direct download link for the video. I'm > >> sure > >> they do not want people to know about this loophole if they > >> intend to > >> get mainstream content owners to put their stuff onto Google (these > >> content owners would cringe at the thought of people potentially > >> downloading, remixing, redistributing their content). If they wanted > >> to make it easy for people to download, Google could have provided a > >> simple download link, but instead I took the time to do a little > >> hacking with a Greasemonkey script: > >> < http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/archives/2005/11/ > >> greased_google.php > > >> > >> This type of hack is not always available with Flash Video. The > >> YouTube hack relies on another method, which again is a loophole that > >> YouTube could close if they wanted to (and I'm sure they do want to > >> based on some of my discussions with them, they probably just haven't > >> seen the Greasemonkey script yet). I've looked at Brightcove video > >> players and have not yet found a method to download the video files. > >> This is certainly by design -- the Brightcove player is an entire > >> Flash application, not a video embedded in a webpage, so there is > >> very > >> little you can discover from a simple "View Source" of the HTML. > >> > >> I don't buy the argument that its hard for people to install > >> Quicktime. Its just as hard to install the latest Flash Player plugin > >> if that's the case (the newest Flash Video requires version 8 of the > >> Flash plugin). If you are dealing with some sort of corporate > >> blockage > >> when it comes to installing programs, then you won't be able to > >> install Flash plugin either. > >> > >> All in all I have no problem with Flash Video. I do think however > >> that > >> it is more often used to restrict the freedom of the viewer and > >> control the experience from the point of view of the service provider > >> (which may not be the same as the content creator) rather than to > >> enhance the experience for the viewer. If I want to download and view > >> the video later why shouldn't I be able to? If I want to put it on an > >> iPod, why can't I? If I want to aggregate it with other videos so > >> that > >> I can view things in offline and skip around seemlessly, why not? > >> > >> -josh > >> > >> > >> On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> My only problem is you can't vlog it because of the flash wrapper. I > >>> even tried vlogging the flash wrapper. Doesn't work. > >>> > >>> I thought I heard something about a greasmonkey script or plugin for > >>> uncovering the permalink directly to the video so you can vlog it. > >>> But I never followed up on it and seem to have misplaced the > >>> reference. > >>> > >>> -Mike > >>> > >>> On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:19 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: > >>> > >>> Has anyone been keeping up with Google Video? I'm starting to think > >>> that it may be a good solution for people who are just starting out > >>> or want to incorporate video into their site with links, kinda like > >>> people use flickr (an off-site compilation). > >>> > >>> I just gave it a shot this week. If you have a gmail account, you > >>> just login and upload a video. It's pretty much that easy. They have > >>> assured me up and down and I have it in writing that they can not > >>> own > >>> it or do anything if I decide to take the video down one day. > >>> > >>> The worst part is the verification process which takes at least a > >>> day > >>> or more. The bit rate is not great though again, from the > >>> perspective > >>> of making it easy for people to experiment with getting their videos > >>> online, in an easy way which may help as a stepping stone to a more > >>> dedicated and integrated way of doing it, it seems to be pretty > >>> good, > >>> for free. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! 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