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(from a link from the link below) http://www.ipdemocracy.com/ Therefore, if a content or application provider wants higher-speed, higher quality delivery to the customer, some kind of access payment would apply. What’s interesting is not this issue — it’s been widely reported — but a statement by an AT&T spokesman, one which hints at a possible new tack by the telcos in resolving to their favor the net neutrality fight. “Our IP [Internet protocol] video service is not the same thing as the Internet,” AT&T spokesman Mike Balmoris said. He said AT&T would permit unfettered access on the Internet portion of its network. This distinction between “the Internet” and IP video could be the next nuance in the broadband providers’ fight for the right to pick and choose among IP-based applications. By dubbing video-based services as “not the Internet,” or by creating different tiers on the network (i.e. the Internet tier, the IP video tier, maybe, even, the VoIP tier), broadband providers have a better chance of crafting network neutrality rules that nonetheless ensure their abilities to discriminate among the most problematic new IP-based services, namely those that entail video.
Right here is the real problem with the Google Trap. Once again we will get screwed by the need for advertisements. Anyone remember the Information Superhighway? So democratic, so empowering for people; every man a publisher, where did that go? The same place that vlogging is going to go if we are not careful. I have been posting video online since 1998, you know back in the days of the Information Superhighway, and back then, in Dallas, a T1 line was $800. Enter eBusiness and what happened? Bandwidth tripled in a year. Just like that, I was priced out of the game. The reason I was priced out of the game is that, unlike AOL, or Viacom, I ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY FOR MY BANDWIDTH, I cannot write it off, or if I could right it off, I could not afford the $30k/year to run Frisbeedog videos. This is exactly where the Google Advision model will take us. We will have tiers: corporate tier: secure, big, fast, high quality and then there will be the dipshit tier, which we will all operate on, except for maybe Rocketboom (nice infomercial they did the other day, eh?) and the others lucky enough to get corporate play. My guess is that it will be the security issues that are used to do us in as a force in media. That and the delegitimizing "forget about that dog chasing his tail" and "quality programming" comments coming from techie analysts. You can expect many more 'darknet' horror stories and security concerns. We are the number one threat to corporatism. We threaten corporate power by the ease and scope of our little 'dog chasing tail' videos, and the 'dog chasing tail' or 'drunk college kid' videos combined with security issues are going to weaken us to the point that we will have to take the second tier for lack of public support and understanding. Will vlogging go the way of the Information Superhighway? I hope not, but it sure looks that way. Hate to be such a downer, but we are going to face serious problems in this medium, and the lack of understanding of corporatism and media are going to be serious problems. Rocketboom on Tivo scared me a bit. The commentary from the link below scares me even more. ron
On Dec 24, 2005, at 2:37 AM, David Cronshaw wrote: Let's all for a moment take off our community videoblogging hats
and put on a Google Video business hat. Om Malik has a good
perspective as to what Google Video is intending to do... http://gigaom.com/2005/12/15/google-video-a-new-cash-machine/ bdc
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump.
>
> note: i dont like google video.
> note: i still see the potential of flv in our space.
> note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/swf... thats very
> poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-)
>
>
> On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based
> > playback object only... in ! so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/
> > portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I
> > LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to
> > revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.
> > AND that's just for starters...
> >
> > The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no
> > opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is
> > downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file
> > every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing.
> > Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy
> > 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can
> > download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.
> > And yes, I'm specifically t! alking about google video. It's a trap... a
> > d ead end.... mark my words no future will come of google video in it's
> > current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy.... it has
> > no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled
> > garden... a darknet that just happens to have be "pretty"... it has NO
> > interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search
> > or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING.
> >
> > Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable
> > / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool
> > that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test
> > tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!
> > I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd
> > say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our s! earch is going to work for the
> > pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to
> > rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it
> > doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work
> > when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not
> > accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by
> > the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video
> > I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!
> >
> > 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google
> > offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true
> > search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing
> > but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger
> > issues of finding videos i! s MUTE.
> >
> > 2) ...and as far as host ing... like I said... anyone is better... why
> > bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the
> > FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these
> > videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email
> > around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great,
> > awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I
> > going to quote them... "you know about half way in when you do that one
> > thing"... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them?
> > WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh
> > so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for
> > anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them!
> > Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's jus! t stuff
> > to "look at" that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking,
> > right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look
> > at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on
> > google video for you to look at.
> >
> > These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's pages... think
> > of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as the Music
> > industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the heck does this
> > only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a monopoly? Why... because
> > you wanted it non-interroperable you fucks and that's what you got! Wake up
> > and smell the coffee.
> >
> > Closed platforms are BUNK ... they have no future... they're fundamentally
> > inaccessible, have limited usability, no findability or searchability
> > ! outside of that which is provided, and no flexibility... y ou get the damn
> > play button and the slide bar because that's what google said you could have
> > bitch ... want a timestamp... screw you... no flash plugin.. screw you...
> > want it on your ipod...screw you... want to put it in a playlist with your
> > other home movies... screw you... want to project it on a damn wall.. screw
> > you... want to quote it.. .screw you... play it at your wedding, barmitzfa,
> > family reunion... just as long as you don't mind playing it in the google
> > web page and have a highspeed connection!
> >
> > ARE YOU ALL FOLLOWING ME? There's this thing... it's called fair use...
> > it's a suggestion that perhaps the creator might not have an idea of every
> > intended use for media in the world... there's this thing called digital
> > rights management... and don't tell me google isn't using digital rights
> > management... you're ri! ghts to use that content are completley and totally
> > "managed". a duck is a duck no matter what you call it. ANyway digital
> > management assumes that every concieved usage for content is known... google
> > assumes they know the one possible concieved usage of a video... and that's
> > all you'll ever need people... if you agree... good for you... you know it's
> > your choice... yeah, I'm being condesending here, glad you noticed.
> >
> > Google have decided you WILL watch the file in their web page in a browser
> > with flash and that's IT PERIOD. Argue with that.. and argue that none of
> > the other infinite possibilities matter... do it... I'm egging anyone on...
> > I'm picking a fight... something I never do... but I won't hesitate to pick
> > a fight on this... google video is a fucking TRAP!
> >
> > So, why bother with a born loser... And I do mean bo! rn loser... still
> > born, whatever you want to call it... unless google suddently does a 180 one
> > day out of the blue and says we bless they merry gentleman with media
> > permalinks... to direct downloadable files... and stops limiting their
> > search to only videos people have uploaded to them I could care less about
> > their service... I'm going to go use an OPEN hosting service like blip or
> > archive.org... something ACCESSIBLE... and a search tool like yahoo that
> > allows me to find things on the other 99.999% of the web.
> >
> > Google video is just another tyrant in a long line of tyrants... I can't
> > understand why anyone would bother? All hail the tyrant is dead! All hail
> > the new tyrant!
> >
> > Yeah, I'm picking a fight on this one, I don't normally speak quite this
> > boldly in comdemnation but, fuck google video.
> >
> > GOOGLE VIDEO IS A MEDIA TRAP!
> >
! > > Got that! Ok... I saved the best for last... GOOGLE VIDEO DOESN'T WORK FOR
> > VLOGGERS AT ALL!!! What need more I say. Argue with that! Enclose that!
> > Stick that in your itunes, fireant, DTV, iPod, PSP... stick it in your web
> > page... YOU CAN'T! Use google to find the videos on your blog, you're
> > friends vlog... heh where's my videos in google... heh where's rocketbooms!
> > Andrew, sorry to use you as an example but you started this. Are you going
> > to upload all your rocketboom videos to google so they'll appear in google's
> > search engine... what kind of revenue opportunities do you think you'll make
> > from that one link google blesses your homepage with? I laught... the idea
> > of google's utility is absurd... Google does not include vlogs in it's
> > search... google does not allow it's videos to be vlogged! What need more
> > be said!
> >> > How did I allowed myself to get sucked into thi s pointless discussion
> > anyway... Google video sucks... end of story... I think I've made my
> > point... next question please.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > flash video has grown on me.
> > i used to spit on it in relation to videoblogging/vodcasting.
> > the one gripe that still prevails is that you cant remix it.... so it
> > excudes that part of this culture. which sucks bad. you could transcode flv
> > to mp4 of course, but its another step and potential lossy issues.
> >
> > but, flv has a very important role that should not be ignored by anyone...
> > businesses focus on it for good reason.
> > you may not be able to remix it easily, but you can share it...and
> > everyone can play it online and soon offline playback will be mor ecommon
> > too.
> >> > and as soon as XSPF video player is ready, that will be huge.
> > even without XSPF, there are other xml playlist formats that flv players
> > use.
> > playlists, in my opinion, are a huge part of our culture. revlogs are
> > playlists. metafeeds are playlists etc.
> >
> > even fireant and others will eventually have proper support for flv
> > playback if not already.
> > imagine if flv played on the video iPod. it could if *they* chose to
> > allow it.
> > maybe macromedia or some other company will one day come out with a device
> > that does? imagine that. some cell phones already do, right?
> >
> > sull
> >
> > On 12/23/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > > > I was never meaning to suggest Flash is the way to go for most people
> > > > and also I didn't even expect hotlinking, ! etc into one's website or
> > > > aggregato r. I wasn't suggesting anyone on this list drop anything for
> > > > Google.
> > > > I really only just brought it up as a stepping stone for newbees or
> > > > people who would want to do video without a committed life of
> > > > videoblogging.
> > > > I think its a good and easy way to get your videos online if you are
> > > > not a hard core videoblogger. I think its much easier than any other
> > > > solution, its dependable and fast and it seems like its a nice
> > > > sandbox for people who would like to experiment with the idea of
> > > > having video that they make online.
> > >
> > > agreed.
> > > maybe gogle might connect google video with blogger one day.
> > > all the pieces are there.
> > >
> > > i was just bringing up the flash discussion...becasue i see that its> > > becoming very popular in some circles.
> > >
> > > jay
> > >
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