you are wrong.
Andreas is right.
I have also been conveying the same thoughts for months.
That is why in the debates on definitions and language, I had pushed for the realization of two terms to use.
videoblogging and vodcasting (aka video podcasting, video on demand)
Most videobloggers have a vodcast, some do not.
the content, genres, styles etc are absolutely not relevent to wither of these two distinctions.... even if a trend happens to exist.
videoblog content can be ANYTHING. if the videoblogger takes advantage of RSS to make the content subscribable and distributable, then this vodcast, obviously can be ANYTHING.
sull
On 12/25/05, wtrainbow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This makes no sense at all. In fact by your own definitions you don't get the right to
assert that you are a videoblogger. If I consume your video posts exclusively through
iTunes or Fireant you're saying it isn't a videoblog it's a videocast???
Conversely, if you published epsiodes of Punky Brewster in your "blog template" with
sidebars links etc. that would constitute a videoblog? What would you consider
rocketboom??? It would have to be both according to your reasoning.
This convoluted thinking leads to greater confusion than clarification; particularly to the
greater audience not versed in RSS, feeds, aggregators etc.
I would argue a better, more useful distinction is one based on content. I believe the
connotation of videblog is something personal, not contrived and often produced by one
person with posts being irregular. A video podcast seems to suggest a more produced,
often scripted production that is produced more or less on a fixed schedule. It seems to
be this is a more helpful distinction than the means by wish people view the video.
In talking with people that are unfamiliar with videoblogging or video podcasting, and as
journalists continue to write about this movement, I think these definitions are becoming
more meaningful and I hope become more useful and less disorienting.
Will
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> We're speaking past eachother, I think. There are two kinds of
> "videoblogging" - for the sake of the argument we can call one
> videoblogging and the other video podcasting.
>
> The first includes aspects of the blog. It's a remediation of the blog and
> tv (among others). Think McLuhan. The latter is a transparent remediation
> of tv. It's faithful to tv.
>
> The difference is easiest to see in reading patterns. Videoblogging are
> read like blogs, they are small pieces loosely joined (by the reader). The
> latter is read like tv, one at the time. Seperated, passively.
>
> Read this for an intermission <URL:
> http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vlog/archives/2005/12/24/tv-killed-voggings-star/
> >
>
> When I say embedded video gives the best reading experience for web video,
> I am talking about videoblogging. A blog entry is *not* the frames that
> make up the video. It is also the surrounding blog post, the comments, the
> title, the sidebar, the entire network around it (inbound and outbound
> links). That is what makes blogging different from old media. When you
> take the video and move it to an iPod it may be the same frames, but it is
> not the same Work - it is the same video, but a new media and different
> content.
>
> I make videoblogging, and my personaly interest is videoblogging. Content
> that works well in a videoblogging setting is different from content that
> works well in a video podcasting setting. Just as there is content which
> works better on tv than in radio (a boxing match comes to mind). Thinking
> they're the same is naive.
>
> - Andreas
>
> PS. Did evilvlog begin censoring itself?
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:33:34 +0100, Michael Meiser
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Andreas, I understand your perspective, and respect and find your
> > methods interesting, but there's thousands and thousands of people
> > who disagree with your idea of best practices.
> >
> > Alternatively... I think getting all my vlogs automatically
> > downloaded and synced to my video ipod is the best thing ever. I
> > watch them on my TV while working on my laptop, and through mefeedia
> > am able to easily work, or if I see something interesting... quickly
> > find the original post and follow up on it. The disconnect that I
> > thought would happen do to putting videos on TV has NOT happened in
> > fact... I find i can comment and follow more vlogs. If I miss
> > something I just hit the pause button or rewind on the iPod... if I
> > am bored with a clip I skip it... All the while I can follow along
> > on mefeedia on my laptop... tagging things, marking favorites...
> > following up on links from Steve G.'s Vlog soup.. or rocketboom's
> > links. All we need to do in my opinion is make it even easier to
> > follow along through mefeedia with what's happening on the TV by
> > improving our web based queue and our RSS queue which plays back
> > through the video ipod.
> >
> > Finally, I also like embedded flash for in browser play back, as
> > probably does Jay.. that's not the problem... the problem is when
> > there is NO alternative link. It drives me up the wall. How can I
> > download it... how can I rip it to my ipod, how can I share it with a
> > friend... No this sort of flash playback is not going away... but
> > video blogging is at least putting a serious dampner on DRM'd and
> > locked down files like this and encouraging more openess and
> > portability... which means more flexibility, increased accessibility,
> > and enhanced useability.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > On Dec 23, 2005, at 5:49 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:42:08 +0100, Jay dedman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> i wonder if these Embedded Flash players will last?
> >> i obviously keep seeing aggregated video as being the way to go.
> >> all the video i watch ive downloaded through subscription....not gone
> >> to web pages to watch Flash videos.
> >
> > Embedded video is the best viewing experience for web video. It won't go
> > away. For blog entries that mixes video with other forms (text, images)
> > embedded video is much nicer. And it actually fits into the web context.
> >
> > I've never downloaded a video through subscription. I will start once I
> > find videos I watch like a watch tv... passively. When I find videos
> > where
> > I don't want to (or can't) be a part of a dialogue around the videos.
> >
> > I use RSS to be notified if a blog has updated. It's great for that.
> >
> > - Andreas
>
>
>
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