On 12/24/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
I don't think Tivo is Television. Classical television cannot not be
automaticaly stored, retrieved, scanned and viewed out of order (this
can be manually performmed with programming recorders -- but just
about anything can be put into a manual process.) So I think this is
an intermediate medium to Blogging. I'd call it a Tivo medium with
the iPod containing similar capacity. It lacks the full two way
interaction of Blogs, but contains the automatic storage, scanning and
retrieval capability.
Actually... I've found that playing back video blogs on the TV can be quite the two way experience. Now, I'm using my iPod, BUT I suppose a Tivo might work just as well. What makes it work is having a parrellel queue... a landing page where by you can follow along as you wish. Also a remote for your ipod or tivo comes in handy, of course for skipping, pausing, restarting or rewinding. Here's an example workflow we set up with mefeedia... First mefeedia automatically creates for you a web based browseable queue as it has from the start... but now it also provides for you a single personal RSS feed that directly parrallels that queue. The RSS feed hence goes to your Fireant, iTunes/ipod or perhaps in the future tivo or Akimbo as they start to better support vlogs... Basically you can instantly pull up your watch page on your laptop and jump to any post your watching on TV. Since the order of video playback and videos in your queue roughly correspond it's easy to follow along.. That said... I don't normally follow along for EVERY vlog post... In fact I mostly "passively" watch video... then when something catches my interest I jump to my queue and follow up on it by tagging it, favoriting it for future reference or commenting... of course there are other options like re-vlogging, but you get the idea.
Case in point the other day I was watching all manner of G4Tech TV and rocketboom and mobuzz and Steve Garfields vlog soup came on... In it were perhaps 8 new vlogs, 3 of which based on steve's review I found VERY interesting. While it played I pulled up mefeedia did quick quiries based on the vlog names from steve, browsed and previewed them and added them to my video queue. All simultaneously while videos continued to play, except for a brief period where I had to rewind a little to catch the spelling on one of the vlog names.
Now this is not saying this will work for everyone... However I find that the passive TV experience and the active experience of using a laptop is a very powerful combination... not nearly so interactive as one might think... but it does depend on some sort of easy to get at landing page with which you can follow along, the laptop or a computer set up withing viewing proximity of TV, and some sort of RSS capable device. t's just one of thousands of "workflow scenarios". Workflow scenarios are my thing I guess these day... I find it extremely interesting the way vloggers watch vlogs... do they use mefeedia, ant, itunes, the ipod.... do they watch online, or offline, how often do they comment, tag, revlog, favorite... what other "actions" do they like to perform while vlogging? Everyone's experience is completely different and they're all VERY legitimat... This is exactly why I hate streaming media, DRM. and other closed systems... they fundamentally endoctrinate workflows that are wholey incompatible with some of the tremendous ways we can use media... it's not just that you HAVE to watch google's videos in the web browser experience only.... but that you can't create a playlist, you can't comment, you can't play it offline... you can't put it on your tivo... you can't format shift it so it'll work on linux, or the PSP. In fact that's a good point... in order to simply play a DVD on linux you STILL have to install software that breaks the law. This is not about the copyright holders rights or law... it's the reality of media.
Mark my words the future of media is open and portable... because the benifits to media being "sociable" are just to great and problems of such "technological controls" and even "technological implimentation of law" are to high. I may bave said all this before... but DRM may exist in the corners of the network... but the CENTER of the network, and indeed the vast majority of it will be open, because well you can't be the center of crap if you're a walled garden.
So, this is how little things are affected by BIG issues.... It's that this media is open that gives us the accessibility to create usable experiences like this one simple workflow I've talked about. That said there are two things that I see that need improving.
1) someone needs to create a plugin for iTunes using their API that automatically rips all non-drm podcast videos to mp4's and deletes the original... while retaining all meta information. I think FireAnt is also working on such functionality for use with the ipod and PSP... And indeed that's a great way to handle format incompatibilities... but there are others too... which I'm not going to get into because I'd have to kill you all. ;) LOL!
2) we need more portable media playback devices that are network connected like the tivo, the akimbo... the PSP has the potential but is not there yet. And then there's the fabled "networked ipod". These devices will aggregate videos directly using RSS without the need to sync with a computer... using services like mefeedia so that they don't have to be configured directly to add new feeds or queue new videos. So the next time I'm watching Steve Garfields vlog Soup and decide to add a new feed the videos will automatically start downloading to the device so I can be watching them on my TV in minutes.
In the future I may see a movie on the web that I want to watch while I'm at work and purchase it and have it on my TV when I get home ready to watch. Think of it as Netflix... but when you add something to your queue... well... let's just say our delivery mechanism is "slightly" more efficient.
-Mike
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--- In [email protected], "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We're speaking past eachother, I think. There are two kinds of
> "videoblogging" - for the sake of the argument we can call one
> videoblogging and the other video podcasting.
>
> The first includes aspects of the blog. It's a remediation of the
blog and
> tv (among others). Think McLuhan. The latter is a transparent
remediation
> of tv. It's faithful to tv.
>
> The difference is easiest to see in reading patterns. Videoblogging
are
> read like blogs, they are small pieces loosely joined (by the
reader). The
> latter is read like tv, one at the time. Seperated, passively.
>
> Read this for an intermission <URL:
>
http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vlog/archives/2005/12/24/tv-killed-voggings-star/
> >
>
> When I say embedded video gives the best reading experience for web
video,
> I am talking about videoblogging. A blog entry is *not* the frames
that
> make up the video. It is also the surrounding blog post, the
comments, the
> title, the sidebar, the entire network around it (inbound and outbound
> links). That is what makes blogging different from old media. When you
> take the video and move it to an iPod it may be the same frames, but
it is
> not the same Work - it is the same video, but a new media and
different
> content.
>
> I make videoblogging, and my personaly interest is videoblogging.
Content
> that works well in a videoblogging setting is different from content
that
> works well in a video podcasting setting. Just as there is content
which
> works better on tv than in radio (a boxing match comes to mind).
Thinking
> they're the same is naive.
>
> - Andreas
>
> PS. Did evilvlog begin censoring itself?
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:33:34 +0100, Michael Meiser
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...> wrote:
>
> > Andreas, I understand your perspective, and respect and find your
> > methods interesting, but there's thousands and thousands of people
> > who disagree with your idea of best practices.
> >
> > Alternatively... I think getting all my vlogs automatically
> > downloaded and synced to my video ipod is the best thing ever. I
> > watch them on my TV while working on my laptop, and through mefeedia
> > am able to easily work, or if I see something interesting... quickly
> > find the original post and follow up on it. The disconnect that I
> > thought would happen do to putting videos on TV has NOT happened in
> > fact... I find i can comment and follow more vlogs. If I miss
> > something I just hit the pause button or rewind on the iPod... if I
> > am bored with a clip I skip it... All the while I can follow along
> > on mefeedia on my laptop... tagging things, marking favorites...
> > following up on links from Steve G.'s Vlog soup.. or rocketboom's
> > links. All we need to do in my opinion is make it even easier to
> > follow along through mefeedia with what's happening on the TV by
> > improving our web based queue and our RSS queue which plays back
> > through the video ipod.
> >
> > Finally, I also like embedded flash for in browser play back, as
> > probably does Jay.. that's not the problem... the problem is when
> > there is NO alternative link. It drives me up the wall. How can I
> > download it... how can I rip it to my ipod, how can I share it with a
> > friend... No this sort of flash playback is not going away... but
> > video blogging is at least putting a serious dampner on DRM'd and
> > locked down files like this and encouraging more openess and
> > portability... which means more flexibility, increased accessibility,
> > and enhanced useability.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > On Dec 23, 2005, at 5:49 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:42:08 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> i wonder if these Embedded Flash players will last?
> >> i obviously keep seeing aggregated video as being the way to go.
> >> all the video i watch ive downloaded through subscription....not gone
> >> to web pages to watch Flash videos.
> >
> > Embedded video is the best viewing experience for web video. It
won't go
> > away. For blog entries that mixes video with other forms (text,
images)
> > embedded video is much nicer. And it actually fits into the web
context.
> >
> > I've never downloaded a video through subscription. I will start
once I
> > find videos I watch like a watch tv... passively. When I find videos
> > where
> > I don't want to (or can't) be a part of a dialogue around the videos.
> >
> > I use RSS to be notified if a blog has updated. It's great for that.
> >
> > - Andreas
>
>
>
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