--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > frankly, I believe the state of 'communities' is crap. > > Can you explain this statement further? What is 'crap' about the state > of 'communities'?
Silos, isolationism, mis-labelling-- whether intentional or by accident. "Blogosphere" for example, term supposed to mean 'bloggers everywhere' /me dances through meadow. Possible reality: Blogosphere = Blogger/Tech Blogosphere "Podcast Listeners" should be ALL Possible reality: Podcast Listeners = Other podcasters who listen (i think user conferences when most of the people aren't plain users, but creator-users, ie., us. Again. Do your myspace readers and listeners and viewers show up at these things? Uhm, thinkin' 'no' ? "Videoblog Community" should be ALL including YouTubers, MySpacers, people who might not be aware of DV, RSS, etc Possible reality: Videoblog Community = This Yahoo Group (The Vloggies jumps right out at me one this one) The fractured communities also. All the sites that have 'community' features that slurp in because the technical underpinings allows it; requiring a content creator to have to go there and manage. A billion directories that play the portal game. "Look how full featured we are"... How many places can your audio and video exist that are 'communities for listeners or viewers', and yet, populated with ourselves, who, while true we are listeners and viewers of our own stuff, there are multiple levels of consumer, active, active/passive, full participatory--- epsilon construct kinda stuff. Even in Second Life, the two major podcast presences (one is friend, one is foe) built silos that is populated by, zOMG, PODCASTERS, overwhelmingly moreso than the general public. It's like the midway at the carnival. A LOT of us 'three balls for a dollar' types. Networks. Talkin' about themselves, when it should be about the show or content. More people know about BoingBoing than Federated Media.-- Good Throw in the Pod* networks, you might now a couple major shows, but hear about the network more-- Bad Heh, I got into the TV show LOST, way after everyone. I couldn't tell you what network it was on, cuz well, it's not about them, it's about LOST. Like the Sopranos. HBO, great, I can tune my TiVO, but it's allll about Tony, baby. And check this. Vsocial. If you go to mefeedia and look at the directory, you have these various aggregate sites. The vsocial one jumped out at me: "vSocial is a video clip sharing community that is designed to make it "brain-dead easy" to upload, view and share your favorite video clips. In addition, we provide really great web based tools that enable users to actually "do something" with the video on their favorite community sites, blogs and within video iPods." Look at the order in which vSocial is promoted. Producers first, and 'in addition' doing something with video, like what, I dunno, *watching* maybe? In the context of sites that have video, video to be viewed, lots of it--- the smallest fraction of the population-- the creators-- is what's promoted first. YouTube, while kinda clunky, focuses attention on the video; they have 'community' features; the workflow shows that people can view it independent of the site (embedding etc), and you can follow the weird Video link in IM---> to peer --> View --> feedback loop back to sender of IM, not the creator; also outside of the community. However YouTube has an active community on their own site; most do. I remember a time that YouTube was looked down upon by this group-- me included-- for ay number of reasons-- didn't follow the RSS spec, or people didn't like flash, or all this tech stuff that may or may not actually matter. Where are all the skate and snowboard videos living, the ones that have been around for years on the web? Could they be nominated if we don't know about them because they are outside our inner circle. We talk about ourselves to ourselves, and I think that creates this false sense of community. It's a fine line between early adopters meeting technological tutorials and the vital need for this as a resource for videomakers... does that make it a true representation of Videblogging? It's perhaps at this point where 'community' becomes 'society'. And that might make us resistant to change or stagnant, because we don't control absolute awareness of what is out there. -- Eegads, that's long winded, but hey, that's half my notes for Podcamp hehe, so I suppose we can figure out how to break out of our inwardness on a global scale: blogs, podcasts, videoblogs, metaverses, etc. :-) ER
