--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Blogosphere" for example, term supposed to mean 'bloggers everywhere' /me > dances > through meadow. > Possible reality: Blogosphere = Blogger/Tech Blogosphere > > "Podcast Listeners" should be ALL > Possible reality: Podcast Listeners = Other podcasters who listen (i think > user conferences > when most of the people aren't plain users, but creator-users, ie., us. > Again. Do your > myspace readers and listeners and viewers show up at these things? Uhm, > thinkin' 'no' ? > > "Videoblog Community" should be ALL including YouTubers, MySpacers, people > who might > not be aware of DV, RSS, etc > Possible reality: Videoblog Community = This Yahoo Group (The Vloggies jumps > right out > at me one this one)
Now that you mention The Vloggies, how come http://vloggiessf.com was never updated with A) the winners, and B) any coverage of the event, whatsoever? -------- I think all of the points that you make are very good ones and valid ones. What are you suggesting, though? Do you have a "solution" to this? Are you looking for a solution, or only trying to spark awareness with this thread? In any situation, you're going to have groups or communities or cliques or 'the elite'. While I agree, in essence, with what you seem to be saying, which is that people with zero technical videomaking skills or who only videoblog from their bedrooms on their webcams are looked over when it comes to being recognized as 'actual' videobloggers or 'serious' videobloggers, lines are always going to be drawn. There are people on YouTube that aren't aware of people on MySpace. There are people on Match.com that aren't aware of people on Yahoo Personals. There are people on Revver that aren't aware of people on Brightcove... More 'communities' are created every day, leading to more people being involved in general, but less awareness by one particular community about the overall population. In the USA, we have football. If you're good at football as a kid, you might get to play on the HS team. After that, you might get to play college ball. You might make it after that to the NFL. If you make it to the Super Bowl in the NFL, you might be crowned WORLD CHAMPION of football. The best in the entire world! :D Did you compete against everyone in the entire world? no. Did you compete against football players in China? no. The NFL exists in the USA. There's the CFL! :) Why don't they have the NFL champions play against the CFL champions? Then against the Brazilian football champions? :D On that note, we're the only ones that call football football. Everyone else calls 'soccer' football. Until there's a way to include everyone in the world in something, there are going to be groups that take liberties and call themselves the best in the world at what they do. Most of the time, anyone else would be hard-pressed to prove them wrong. :) In the case of "video on the net" or whatever one cares to call it, there are different styles and motivations for each group of videos. There are people that tell their life stories to the webcam in their bedroom. There are people that report about what someone else did. There are people that go out and do things and videotape them. There are people that do their videos in one take and others that script and create props and act in and edit their videos. Categories are necessary in order to avoid comparing apples and oranges. You don't want to compare Galacticast to Beachwalks.TV, because they don't express themselves through video the same way. Their styles AND motivations are different. OTOH, how far are you suggesting that someone search for videos in the "Science Fiction Comedy" or "Inspirational" categories? Should someone compile a list of all the 'communities' they can find that do "video on the web", and make sure to advertise contests to everyone available? > Where are all the skate and snowboard videos living, the ones that have been > around for > years on the web? Could they be nominated if we don't know about them because > they are > outside our inner circle. We talk about ourselves to ourselves, and I think > that creates this > false sense of community. Another good point... about people being nominated from outside the circle, but I think the sense of community is not "false". This is CLEARLY a community. It might just be a much smaller community than people think it is. It's a global community in a geographical sense, but not in the sense of being all-inclusive, for the reasons you stated yourself. There are many communities and many "inner circles" all over the place. The only reason I even heard of Lonelygirl15 is that someone brought her videoblog up as an example of a corporate hoax. It's not YouTube's job to get everyone outside the YouTube community up to speed. They have their own inner circles and senses of community. > Eegads, that's long winded, but hey, that's half my notes for Podcamp hehe, > so I suppose > we can figure out how to break out of our inwardness on a global scale: > blogs, podcasts, > videoblogs, metaverses, etc. :-) With the benefit being.......? Is the point of this thread to benefit those that are here on this list or those that are not here on this list? Are you saying the inner circle would benefit from outside influence, or people outside the circle would benefit from being somehow sought out and included in the circle? -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV
