exactly, michael. network2 aside.... when others have come here talking about building a new directory/portal/guide and so on... i usually say.. hey thats sounds fine and dandy... welcome.... i hope you add value and not just wrap your new site with ads etcetera.
granted, "adding value" can be a new discussion in order to figure out what that can and should mean exactly. its certainly not just about launching a web based socialized content aggregator. i agree with richard about blip. but also remember that they only show what is hosted by them, not what is hosted elsewhere on the net. that's in their interest but it does leave open opportunities for net wide aggregatory services.... and the ones that add at least some level of value to the community of content creators should always be appreciated. so, let's talke about 'added value'. sull On 12/18/06, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's what I love about Blip (I think Richard would agree) - THEY ADD > VALUE. > > Does Network2 add value? > > -Michael > > On 12/18/06, Richard (Show) Hall <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]<richard%40richardshow.com>> > wrote: > > > > I agree with almost everything Andrew says below, in spirit, (I say, in > > spirit, because I don't know Jeff Pulver or Chris Brogan), especially > with > > respect to the importance of net-neutrality being central in 2007 ... > > > > However, one point I would disagree on - Andrew said ... "As more and > more > > online video content emerges, no one has yet surfaced as the entry point > > for online serial content besides iTunes which is not apt for democratic > > inclusively. I'm going to give the 'most likely to succeed' award in > 2007 > > to > > Jeff Pulver and Chris Brogan with Network2 ... having the best of > intents > > and heart" > > > > Personally, I would substitute blip.tv for the "Jeff Pulver and Chris > > Brogan > > with Network2" part > > > > IMHO ... Blip has the ideal philosophy with serialized content, based on > > the > > idea that blip is there to aid and facilitate the creator in > disseminating > > in the widest and most open possible way, with no effort, on blip's part > > to > > own or brand the content as their own ... plus I have come to know a lot > > of > > the blip people well and I can't imagine than anyone else could beat the > > team at blip.tv in terms of "having the best of intents and heart" > > > > ... Richard (the blip fan) > > > > > > On 12/18/06, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]<andrew%40rocketboom.com> > <andrew%40rocketboom.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I want it to be opt-in > > > > - I want prominent link to my site > > > > - I want a link to the post's permalink > > > > - I want a link to my feed (not the directory's feed of my stuff) > > > > - I want my work's license displayed > > > > > > I find this list of points to be spot on as the primary concerns. > > > > > > I think FireAnt, Network2 and vlogdir/vlogmap serve three different > > > types of purposes and each can be treated differently with regards to > > > these questions. > > > > > > I was just emailing with Jeff Pulver and it sounds like he previously > > > had the foresight for exactly all of this and may have already > > > changed some of it. > > > > > > As more and more online video content emerges, no one has yet > > > surfaced as the entry point for online serial content besides iTunes > > > which is not apt for democratic inclusively. > > > > > > I'm going to give the 'most likely to succeed' award in 2007 to Jeff > > > Pulver and Chris Brogan with Network2, Video on the Net and Pod-camp, > > > for having emerged basically just this year with these projects, > > > shooting up overnight, and having the best of intents and heart (for > > > I have gotten to know both this year and this last point is the very > > > strongest quality behind everything). > > > > > > Before I hop off my support-wagon here, most importantly for all of > > > us, I expect 2007 is going to require a major battle with Net > > > Neutrality. > > > > > > This battle has already happened before when audio transmission over > > > the internet had become democratized. > > > > > > "On February 12, 2004, Mr. Pulver's petition for clarification > > > declaring Free World Dial-up as an unregulated information service > > > was granted by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). . . Now > > > referred to as "the Pulver Order", the ruling provides important > > > clarification that computer-to-computer VoIP service is not a > > > telecommunications service. By doing this, the FCC delivered a strong > > > signal to consumers and capital markets that the FCC is not > > > interested in subjecting end-to-end IP Communications services to > > > traditional voice telecommunications regulation under the > > > Communications Act. > > > > > > In otherwords, having co-founded Vonage, Jeff fought to make sure > > > stuff like Skype could be free. Even Apple voice chat and podcasting > > > would have been at risk. > > > > > > With regards to tomorrow's internet, Pulver has been hot on the case > > > and may be one of the best positioned people to help keep internet > > > video transmission free as well. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:24 AM, Michael Verdi wrote: > > > > > > > Here are my thoughts... > > > > > > > > The reality is there is money to be made in aggregating and > presenting > > > > content. In other words it's a commercial use of people's content. > > > > Maybe a site doesn't have ads or even charges money for content but > if > > > > they get lots of viewers because "they have" lots of content then, > as > > > > we've seen with YouTube, they can be valuable. That's value built on > > > > the backs of others. > > > > > > > > Now I think if you opt-in to something that isn't displaying your > > > > license or linking to your permalink or is putting ads around your > > > > stuff than you've obviously agreed to that. No problem there. > > > > > > > > On the other hand, if like in the case of Network2, you have to > > > > opt-out then that's not cool at all. Some of my content is up there > > > > and I've never been asked about it. I have no agreement with them > > > > though they are, in my opinion, commercially using my content. Even > if > > > > you could somehow argue that it wasn't a commercial use, they still > > > > aren't displaying the terms of my license. > > > > > > > > I also noticed while looking around that Fireant.tv has added ads to > > > > the page since I last checked. Not cool guys. There weren't any ads > > > > when I opted in. > > > > > > > > So what do I want from a directory? > > > > - I want it to be opt-in > > > > - I want prominent link to my site > > > > - I want a link to the post's permalink > > > > - I want a link to my feed (not the directory's feed of my stuff) > > > > - I want my work's license displayed > > > > I think this is the minimum required. > > > > > > > > -Verdi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://richardhhall.org > > http://richardshow.com > > http://inspiredhealing.tv > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- > http://michaelverdi.com > http://spinxpress.com > http://freevlog.org > Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
