> Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than > rel=thumbnail in this example? > (It's consistent?)
The only reason is that rel is not valid XHTML attribute for <img> -josh On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than > rel=thumbnail in this example? > (It's consistent?) > > Thanks, > Devlon Duthie > http://devlonduthie.com > > Find great independent video: > http://mefeedia.com > > > > Joshua Kinberg wrote: > >> class="media-thumbnail" ? > >> > > > > Yes, I think a class attribute on the image is good -- all that is > > needed is standardization on the class name. > > > > Also, it would make sense if the image were contained within some type > > of block that refers to the video, like this: > > > > <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"> > > <img src="http://link/to/thumbnail.jpg"; class="media-thumbnail" /> > > </a> > > > > That way, you would know which video the thumbnail image is referring to. > > > > my .02 cents... > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On 2/9/07, billshackelford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. > >>> > >>> --- In [email protected], sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> nah. > >>>> encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. > >>>> > >>>> and consider using blip feeds (blip users). > >>>> > >>>> sull > >>>> > >>>> > >> You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. > >> > >> This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. > >> When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something > >> up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually > >> coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL > >> wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... > >> heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail > >> field of the RSS feed. > >> > >> Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds > >> instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more > >> than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and > >> blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. > >> That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their > >> delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. > >> > >> Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in > >> the responses. > >> > >> Other than the fact that there is no "rel" atribute to <img> there's > >> no reason not to do this. > >> > >> Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to "rel", or perhaps I'd > >> like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if > >> there's no rel attribute to <img src>? What's wrong with extending > >> it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping > >> with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many > >> others. > >> > >> Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending > >> HTML with a rel standard? > >> > >> If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? > >> > >> class="media-thumbnail" ? > >> > >> I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the > >> everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from > >> rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... > >> these are not coders they're bloggers. > >> > >> -Mike > >> mefeedia.com > >> mmeiser.com/blog > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat > >>>>> thing... > >>>>> and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary > >>>>> problem > >>>>> first. > >>>>> > >>>>> I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> > >>>>> > >>>>> It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this > >>>>> somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. > >>>>> > >>>>> It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, > >>>>> rel=payment and a host of others. > >>>>> > >>>>> It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like > >>>>> audio, > >>>>> and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any objections to this? > >>>>> > >>>>> -Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <duthied%40gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hey all. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to > >>>>>> catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked > >>>>>> > >>> before.... > >>> > >>>>>> But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their > >>>>>> entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the > >>>>>> 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item > >>>>>> elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new > >>>>>> > >>> ones. > >>> > >>>>>> -Devlon > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- In [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>> <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > >>> > >>>>> groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>> There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight > >>>>>>> percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not > >>>>>>> "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not specified in > >>>>>>> standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites > >>>>>>> like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures > >>>>>>> can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat > >>>>>>> standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge amounts of > >>>>>>> supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no > >>>>>>> "rel=thumnail". > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails > >>>>>>> > >>> in > >>> > >>>>>>> blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. > >>>>>>> It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who > >>>>>>> use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, > >>>>>>> > >>> but > >>> > >>>>>>> it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when > >>>>>>> you're writing a blog post. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as > >>>>>>> > >>> well > >>> > >>>>>>> as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Peace, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Mike > >>>>>>> mmeiser.com/blog > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> that, I'm > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Peter > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Bill, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new > >>>>>>>>> release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release > >>>>>>>>> > >>> will > >>> > >>>>>>>>> support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they are > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> included > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> in the link to the video enclosure file like this: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img > >>>>>>>>> src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from MeFeedia, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> but it > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new website > >>>>>>>>> update that will address this along with many other bug fixes > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> and new > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> features. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>> Josh > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://FireAnt.tv > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, billshackelford > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems they do > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> not > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> utilize the Yahoo Media > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If there is a > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> legal > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> reason.. why don't they > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> just come up with their own namespace? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I believe I read something about FireAnt getting thumbnails > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> from > >>> > >>>>>>>>> Mefeedia but my > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> thumbnails > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> show up on FireAnt? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Here is my channel on FireAnt: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> billshackelford.com podcast > >>>>>>>>>> http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Find 10000s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com > >>>>>>>> my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ > >>>>>>>> my job: http://petervandijck.net > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Sull > >>>> http://vlogdir.com (a project) > >>>> http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > >>>> http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! 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