Sorry, been away from my computer a few days.
So Jay, is this an offer to develop it?
I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light
coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or
b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of
helping unappreciative companies / people build things that profit
them and not giving anything back. The succubus is a good metaphor.
In the meantime we can continue to discuss this theoretical interface.
I believe there are enough developers in this space with enough skills
and that there's some unutilized infrastructure... ie. I wonder if
sull would be interested in helping out and dusting off some of the
old vlogdir code base.
The primary requirements of such a system is users will be able to add
RSS 2.0 / mediaRSS feeds with videos in them... it will also need to
regularly crawl and DB these feeds and identify permalinks in the
posts cross referencing other posts.
Finally this service would need to identify the comments RSS feeds
from these vlog feeds.
Beyond that it's just basic display.
A primitive display might look like this
Twitervlog: A proposal, Semenal (9)
- responses: RyanneEdit (8), KityKity (12), MomentShowing (1),
mmeiser blog (0)
SIAB vlog: announcing comment tracking (12)
- responses: joevlog (0), evilvlog (3), janevlog (5)
mmeiser blog: tracking video comments (3)
- responses: evilvlog (1),
This is basicly how techmeme and megite.com display with the
exception, with the addition of the display number of comments on the
posts.
Just like gmail the thread with the latest activity appears on top.
In this way the most active meme will always bubble up to the top.
What this would accomplish would be enriching and enliving an organic
and open conversational ecosystem that already exists. Thus making
the vlogosphere even more highly visual, decentralized, and open...
instead of us always falling back on closed ecosystems like twitter,
yahoo groups, and youtube.
This is basically what services like techmeme.com do for the open
blogosphere, but of course promoting the open vlogosphere.
Of course this is just round one.
Unlike Techmeme and Megite.com which are based SOLEY on general
activity... I would next create a "my tracker" feature whereby people
signup and favorite / import their subscroptions and thus track THEIR
favorite vlogs instead of some generalized / popularized
"vlogosphere".
In this way instead of displaying simply the most popular threads in
the vlogosphere... (f*ck popularity contests)... it would display
what's being talked about amongst MY friends / MY favorite vlogs. In
this way it would transcend the same old popularity contest of sites
like techeme, megit.com, digg, youtube, and pretty much every damn
site and service their is.. and become a PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS tool,
a tool for tracking open media rich conversations amongst friends.
Future versions might then add features like more robust RSS,
displaying videos embeded inline, auto-emailed responses and so on to
encourage further intermediaries.
I imagine one day, as federated ID systems like OpenID become
standards on blog platforms... you might not only be able to track
discussions across your favorite videoblogs... but track the actual
comments of your friends on these blog posts as well.
In other words since people would be using the same OpenID no matter
what blog they were commenting on the tracker would be able to
identify the ID's of you and your friends and thus track your specific
friends comments on blog posts.
What's more... since you can manage your OpenID... you can actually
have multiple idenities, even anonymous identities and thus managing
your level of privacy while still participating in "the great debate"
in an open manner.
A rudimentary example of what this advanced tracker might look like follows
== begin advanced tracker example ==
Twitervlog: A proposal, Semenal
- comments by your friends: mmeiser, jaydedman, ryanne, FauxPress,
and 8 others
- blog posts by your friends: RyanneEdit (8), KityKity (12),
MomentShowing (1),
mmeiser blog (1) and 8 others
SIAB vlog: Announcing comment tracking
- comments by your friends: lriene, AdrianM, Sull and 8 others
- blog posts by your friends: joevlog (0), evilvlog (3), janevlog (5)
mmeiser blog: tracking video comments (3)
- comments by friends: Jan of FauxPress, ryannedit, jaydedman
- blog posts by your friends: evilvlog (1),
== end advanced tracker example ==
In this scenario the threads themselves are determined by vlogs YOU
have subscribed to... and the comments and blog posts shown are also
vlogs YOU have subscribed to... with the addition of numbers
representing additional comments or posts from others you have NOT
subscribed to or friended.
Ok! So there we have it!
That's the basic gist.
A media rich converation tracker for an open network of blogs and
potentiall friends with OpenID's.
My suggestion would be to develop it open source, though I'd be
amenable to helping a decent for profit develop it if they have a good
track record. I.E. someone like SpinXpress.
I believe Sull has all the basic source needed to get it done in vlogdir.
I believe SpinXpress or another might be able to help with a few basic
resources.
And finally I believe there's enough good developers around working on
Show in the Box to pull it off. Should we decide to open source it.
I immagine it'd start like a slashdot / slashcode thing or a
wordpress.net / Wordpress source code thing. Which is to say the
website is a for profit destination site and a showcase of the code
base, but the underlying code is an open source package.
It's Sunday, I'm going to go out and ride 40 miles or so on my fixie
now and listen to my favorite podcasts on my iPod. Catch you later.
Peace,
-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
On 2/2/08, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > how does a tracker help me follow conversations across different
> > > sites?
> >
> > that might be the wrong question. If you could map link structures
> > between blogs then the patterns that form, and the clusters (eg your
> > blog would be a dense node since many others link to it) provide ways
> > of visualising and *discovering* relationships. There are mapping
> > tools that already do this well. But if you take this down to the post
> > level, then things get really interesting. This is because it is all
> > about granularity, so if you can see that there is a cluster (a series
> > of connections between parts) then you can discover new things,
> > precisely because the structures that emerge in blogging (relations
> > between blog posts) are emergent rather than predetermined or
> > hierarchical.
>
> when you start talking like tis Adrian, you lose me.
> I am understanding the concepts of video commenting and following the threads.
> im in.
>
> So everyone is video commenting to each other. It's this beautiful
> ecology going on spread out across blogs, totally decentralized.
> What does Meiser's tracker service look like?
>
> I go to a page and see what?
> a list of videos? links?
>
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