Rather than extending the TrackBack or Pingback protocols, perhaps we
could support the "marking" of the video (and being the "content"...
and thus the thing being a video comment) with some Semantic HTML.
I.e., using HTML classes, special HTML elements, and HTML "rel" and
"rev" attributes to express meaning.
Maybe something like...
<cite>
<a rev="comment" href="http://example.com/what_i_am_commenting_to";>...</a>
<embed class="comment" src="..."></embed>
</cite>
or...
<cite>
<a rev="comment" href="http://example.com/what_i_am_commenting_to";>...</a>
<a rel="enclosure" class="comment" href="..."
type="video/..."><img class="thumbnail" src="thumbnail.jpg" /></a>
</cite>
... Depending on how you're putting your video into your webpage.
(I.e., embeding it or linking to it.)
(Obviously we should think about the HTML constructs a little more.
And see what people are already doing and accommodate them... rather
than try to dictate to everyone what they have to do.)
>From a Show in the Box (and WordPress) point-of-view... for each of
your Linkbacks... you'd just need to go parse the HTML block that was
said to link to you... and look for Semantic HTML markup that would
indicate a video comment.
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On Feb 5, 2008 8:55 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know..... I remember reading somewhere that, when the HTTP
> protocol (that the web is build upon) was being designed, they
> actually wanted a include a mechanism to keep track of what other
> pages were linking to you.
>
> If I recall correctly, the "HTTP Referer".... and yes you're suppose
> to mis-spell "referrer" as "referer" in this context... was a much
> much weaker form of this concept. (I guess they ran out of time to do
> it properly.)
>
> There's a handful of protocols for handling this...
>
> TrackBack
> http://www.sixapart.com/pronet/docs/trackback_spec
>
> Pingback
> http://www.hixie.ch/specs/pingback/pingback
>
> There's also something called "Refback"... but I couldn't find a spec for it.
>
> In general, people seem to call this concept "Linkbacks".... although
> sometime people seem to just use "TrackBack" and "Pingback" as a
> generic term too (that is synonymous with "Linkback".)
>
>
>
> See ya
>
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>
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>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2008 8:34 AM, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I've been thinking about what Charles said.
> >
> > In theory we could extend wordpress' trackback mechanism.
> >
> > I'm not sure exactly how it currently works, but we could basically
> > just extend it to identify video enclosures and embed those in the
> > original blog post comments area.
> >
> > This might be THE simplest form of encouraging cross blogging.
> >
> > The next step would then be to make wordpress' comments RSS support
> > enclosures.
> >
> > I'm not by any means an expert on Wordpress' trackback mechanisms but
> > these should theoretically be two very practical steps that would
> > encourage not just leaving videos in comments, but also "re-vlogging"
> > your responses.
> >
> > I don't think these replace the need for a good video conversation
> > tracker, but they're certainly very pragmatic / accomplishable first
> > steps that would immediately enliven vlogging.
> >
> > It occurs to me that perhaps in the future a little CSS style work
> > might be helpful in wordpress as well.
> >
> > Perhaps thee so called 'video" responses should be brought up along
> > side the original video (like on youtube), so they're more visible.
> > This would involve pulling additional content such as thumbnails from
> > trackbacks as well.
> >
> > Anyway, I like this idea, it's far more practical then then having a
> > 3rd party tracker, and even better fits much better into the SIAB
> > project schema.
> >
> > Let's keep talking about it. Maybe we can get to the point where we
> > can identify and work out some of the issues, do a little research,
> > spec out and design some concepts. Even if this is something that
> > SIAB devides not to pursue I'd find the process worthwhile and perhaps
> > it would lead to other things.
> >
> > So... does anyone know any practical reasons why we cannot expand on
> > trackbacks to identify videos and embed them in the comments on the
> > original post?
> >
> > -Mike
> > mmeiser.com/blog
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/4/08, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I would be nice if, for example, each WordPress (or Show in a Box)
> > > based video blog had a plugin that could show the entire threaded
> > > convo itself.
> > >
> > > That way you could see the convo no matter which video blog you were on.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> > > http://ChangeLog.ca/
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 4, 2008 3:58 AM, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So Jay, is this an offer to develop it?
> > > > > I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light
> > > > > coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source,
> > or
> > > > > b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of
> > > > > helping unappreciative companies / people build things that profit
> > > > > them and not giving anything back. The succubus is a good metaphor.
> > > >
> > > > yeah, lets not worry about creating a business.
> > > > go into porn or the new Blackwater-style security services to make
> > money.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The primary requirements of such a system is users will be able to
> > add
> > > > > RSS 2.0 / mediaRSS feeds with videos in them... it will also need to
> > > > > regularly crawl and DB these feeds and identify permalinks in the
> > > > > posts cross referencing other posts.
> > > >
> > > > Take a moment to check out Andreas writings on tracking conversations.
> > > > He recently reminded me of his work back in 2004(!). Not sure if I was
> > > > ready to grasp his ideas back then.
> > > > http://www.solitude.dk/tag/conversation+tracking
> > > >
> > > > my experience and desire for any system screams for a visual
> > presentation.
> > > > a list of links doesnt excite me.
> > > > I want to see thumbnails.
> > > > i want to watch videos i the page easily.
> > > > i want the page to make the videos look good.
> > > >
> > > > Jay
> > > >
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