--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's funny I didn't even notice the ad's DURING the interview just > the one's before and after....I was too distracked by the blonde to > notice the overlays.. ;)
That was my fault for ASSUMING you meant mid-roll overlay ads. I'm not aware that boingboing even USES those. I didn't mean to imply that there were any overlay ads on the Jay/Ryanne video at all. > Another thing that is funny for me, is that I have always been in > the "ad's arn't so bad" camp....I know it's still the model and for > the most part I don't mind them, I ingnore most of them actually...so > for me to say "ads are wrong here" is to me a bit funny in > itself....I really do think it's because I know Jay and Ryanne and > knowing what "could" have happened and to be honest what > could "still" happen....cause I am sure their names are on some list > now in China.... > > Heath > http://batmangeek.com > http://heathparks.com That's the whole thing. "Ads aren't so bad" because the content people are watching has no depth to it. This was a video done by people that a lot of us have hung out with in person and understand their mannerisms. They were visibly "shook" in that video. It was compelling to watch and listen to them, ESPECIALLY since I didn't even know they had gone over there, so I got to watch it in the context of "They didn't know if they were going to get out of China clean, AND they hadn't heard from Brian & Jeff for three days". Just COMPELLING is the word, and it amplifies the contrast against the advertisements. As far as Rupert's suggestion of several versions of a commercial, you're asking the company to deal with three different music/dialogue/fx mixes (which is probably negligible for a couple of seconds worth of commercial), and you're also asking for human intervention when it comes to what version of the ad to run on which video. Most likely, they have an automated ad server and you're talking about added expenses without related ROI. I agree with the idea, as far as attempting to maintain the integrity of the art, but like I said, it's not about the art. It's about hits and ad sales. By the time you press play, they've already got you. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Cammack" > <billcammack@> wrote: > > > > Well, like I said, I agree with you entirely. I was "shocked" > enough > > just reading the twitter or link here or whatever that informed me > > that they had been over there AT ALL. I thought they were in the > > sticks somewhere making bread and not using plastic. When I read > the > > link, I was like "THEY could have been caught up in it TOO? :O". > > > > So, yeah, when I went to the video, it had extra import, gloom and > > doom for me because at the time they recorded it, they still could > > have gotten busted. Ads, of course, are going to pull me out of > that > > feeling, so they're certainly unwanted... as far as the "art" of the > > piece. > > > > As far as what kind of ads they might have served on it, that's an > > interesting point. Unless boingboing does a consistently "gloom and > > doom" category of videos, there's no reason for them to have > > specifically targeted videos to specific videos. Like, there's no > > reason that their audience watching THIS video would have been > > different from the audience that watches the rest of their videos, > > whatever they're about. So while I agree that the ads could have > been > > more in tune with the mood of the individual video, at this point, I > > don't think it's feasible to tell an advertiser "We're going to do > one > > solemn video out of 100, maybe... so pay us to advertise your > product > > once in a blue moon". > > > > Bill Cammack > > http://billcammack.com > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath" <heathparks@> wrote: > > > > > > Oh indeed I do know that is the nature of the "biz" but I can't > help > > > but think, maybe an ad for not smoking or maybe a company that is > > > doing "green" or social things, etc...maybe that would have been > a > > > better fit than the ad that was on there...again I know the > realility > > > but for me this was the first time it really hit me...maybe it's > > > because I know Jay and Ryanne, I don't know...but... > > > > > > Heath > > > http://batmangeek.com > > > http://heathparks.com > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Cammack" > > > <billcammack@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I hear what you're saying, but bills have to be paid. I don't > know > > > > anything about boingboing, so I can't speak for them > specifically, > > > but > > > > that's the game that's being played here. Get people to click > on > > > your > > > > video, get people to click on your ads, get revenue to pay > people's > > > > salaries. There's nothing else going on here. > > > > > > > > It's like when you make a Ning community. You can make it for > free > > > if > > > > you leave the google ads on your site and lose the use of an > entire > > > > sidebar... or you can pay Ning to make it worth their while to > ditch > > > > the ads and let you use the sidebar. Lots of people choose to > make > > > > free Ning sites and lots of people choose to watch free > boingboing > > > > videos with whatever ads you saw on them. > > > > > > > > I know you know this already and were just stating facts, :) > and I > > > > agree with you for the most part. The thing that SUCKS for me > with > > > > overlay ads is that you don't know when they're going to come > up, so > > > > as the content creator, when you go to font someone in THE > LOWER 3RD > > > > OF THE SCREEN, some bullshit ad comes up over your title and the > > > > effect you were creating as art is completely lost. If that's > the > > > > only time you mention someone's name/title in the piece, people > are > > > in > > > > the dark the whole time. > > > > > > > > Also, like you said, overlay ads of ANY kind destroy immersion, > but > > > > like I said, it's about making your money back, not making art > that > > > is > > > > poignant and has the desired effect on the viewer that the > artist > > > > (content creator) intended. > > > > > > > > Removing ads would defeat the purpose of doing the videos in > the > > > first > > > > place. (Again, having nothing specifically to do with > boingboing) > > > > > > > > Bill Cammack > > > > http://billcammack.com > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath" <heathparks@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing > > > boing > > > > > and others are trying to report things....but....and for me > it's > > > a > > > > > big but....the ads on the video piece from boing boing turned > me > > > > > off....I mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people > being > > > > > detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of > town > > > > > before they themselves are detained and I get some upbeat > rockin > > > ad > > > > > for, heck I don't even know but it just seemed sooo out of > > > > > place....it detracted me from the overall message...maybe > it's > > > just > > > > > me...but..... > > > > > > > > > > Heath > > > > > http://batmangeek.com > > > > > http://heathparks.com > > > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <rupert@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv- > proti.html > > > > > > > > > > > > "Last week, eight American citizens were detained in > Beijing > > > for > > > > > > participating in pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests near the > site > > > of > > > > > > the 2008 Olympics, with Students for a Free Tibet. Two > > > > > videobloggers > > > > > > who documented those protest and guerrilla art > installations > > > > > evaded > > > > > > detention, and spoke to Boing Boing TV on Friday Beijing > time > > > > > about > > > > > > why they were there, what they witnessed, and why it > mattered. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson of Ryanishungry.com spoke to > us > > > over > > > > > > Skype from a hostel in Beijing. One of the actions they > > > documented > > > > > in > > > > > > photo and video was the hanging of an "LED throwies" light > > > banner, > > > > > > below, which read "FREE TIBET." We agreed to hold this > Boing > > > Boing > > > > > tv > > > > > > episode until after we received word that they'd safely > left > > > the > > > > > > country. They have returned home, so I am posting the piece > > > today." > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
