there are two of us at dyna-flix.com and after a year and a half of hard work and 50 fifteen minute chapters on the market as $5 downloads or 3 on a DVD for $20 we were up to $100 a day in sales. average. down a little with all the fear out there about money.
most "pay sites" in our niche sell subscriptions. we prefer individual sales with active feedback from our customers thru a guestbook and a yahoo group. we tend to get our money back for each chapter in the first 48 hours we have it on the market. so we own our library free and clear. but we don't own much else but a pole barn. we currently run advert free on blip as our 150 or so clips there are nothing more than commercials for our work - getting some 1200 views a day. but once we finish the toned down (ever so slightly) set of 6 shows for australian broadcast we might park them on blip and troll for a sponsor. we had invited a third artist into this project. he helped us get up and running but dropped out. we'd take him back in a heartbeat, but he can't wait for the money like we can. mind you during this year and a half we have been deleted from youtube some dozen times in spite of millions of channel views with no complaints. seems it might be industrial sabotage of some sort - one is likely to find hot competion in a well funded niche. this year i hope to add ringtones and wallpapers to our product line, see about getting into the i-tunes store, and sacrifice 40% of the sale price to sell some more of our commercials on clips4sale. we are maybe getting close "1000 true fans" level where we will venture into the exciting world of profit. the above is offered in hopes it will help someone else believe in themselves enough to try. --- In [email protected], Ron Watson <k9d...@...> wrote: > > I don't care about people doing this for me, it's not about dog > sports. It's not about me. My stuff was only an example. > > This is about the concept of profit sharing with producers and > supplementing income of video producers and giving much needed help > to community developers. > > It's the idea that I'm pushing, I don't want to push anybody into > doing anything for me, but I do think this idea has merit and am a > bit confused about the lack of interest on the list here. > > I hate this kind of communication, email lists, it's so easy to get a > mixed message. > > I do like the latter part of your post, Jay, and think you are on it. > > I don't think Rosenbaum's piece was very groundbreaking either, other > than the fact that it was in print (large blog) and it reinforced > what I've believed and have been in the process of doing for a couple > years now. And it did so with a little bit of anecdotal evidence and > experience. > > I'm not used to seeing my thoughts and ideas in media until several > years after they develop. > > You are right about the passionate hobbyist supporting their > community, but I think it goes further than that. I think we're all > about to realize just how important community is. We've been having > our eyes opened it here Michigan for a few years now and as the > economy takes it's final spins around the toilet bowl we're all going > to get a look at how worthless our lives as consumers feeding an > economy have become and how damaging it was to our society. > > We're all going to want to belong to and we're all going to *need* to > belong to something in the near future. > > I think that profit sharing for niche content is a viable method for > keeping a cottage studio afloat and for getting great content for > niche communities. > > Creating daylight between spectator quality video and decent > production has to happen in order to get the concept of pay to play > video working. > > Getting past the flash in the pan YT viral score / instant celebrity > thing has to happen as well. > > Thanks for the thoughts Jay. Enlightening as always. > > peace, > > > Ron Watson > http://k9disc.blip.tv > http://k9disc.com > http://discdogradio.com > http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Jay dedman wrote: > > > > I don't want to beat a dead horse, though, and I can see that > > there's > > > little interest on the list in entertaining the concept of making > > > money through profit sharing with community developers and small > > > businesses. > > > It's a bummer though. It could be the big thing that makes producing > > > independent video profitable, or at least not a total money pit. It > > > also could put different kinds of creative people in the same room > > > and on the same page fostering who knows what kind of exciting > > > possibilities. > > > > I think you just need to change your strategy. > > Why approach this group who aren't passionate about dog training? > > Just not something I want to spend my time doing for any amount of > > money. > > > > BUT I'm sure you know a whole community of dog lovers who now have > > access to cameras. > > Harness them to gather video for you. > > I'm sure they'd love some bucks, but passionate hobbyists often just > > do it because they love it. > > > > I'm also certain that it'll be easier to get people to record video > > and send it to you...then actually getting the to edit the videos as > > well. > > Editing videos is where the real time and skill is. > > Then you would need to talk serious money because editing video is not > > a light task. > > > > I personally don't think Michael Rosenbaum's article is very > > groundbreaking. > > Porn has done the "pay for download" thing for years. > > We all could have been doing it as well. > > Is this "THE YEAR" when people start paying for non-porn content? > > Doubtful. > > > > Because it's so easy to get free content online...and folks usually > > just route around "pay to view" barriers, a more likely scenario is > > that people will give you money just because they want to support the > > content. They WANT to support you vs they HAVE to pay you to watch. > > It's the NPR model vs the Comcast model. > > > > A small, but committed, fan base will fund you because they know that > > if they don't, you wont exist. > > This means your creations must be really important to them so take > > chances and make the things no one else is or can. > > > > Jay > > > > -- > > http://ryanishungry.com > > http://jaydedman.com > > 917 371 6790 > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
