Liza Jean, I guess the profit sharing could work both ways. As a production company, you are killing yourself with the presentation of your site. It just doesn't look serious. (just being frank here...).
I think I could help you with the presentation of dyna-flix.com. There is no reason for your site to not look incredible. You've got all that scantily clad talent, and it's just sitting there in the middle of a white page. If you had a better layout and design, and asked people to cruise around and check things out I bet you'd be doing much better. Please take a look in my signature for examples of my work. If you are interested, give me a shout privately. That goes for anyone else too. peace, Ron Watson http://k9disc.com http://pawsitivevybe.com http://rescuedogstv.com http://k9athlete.com On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:14 AM, liza jean wrote: > there are two of us at dyna-flix.com and after a year and a half of > hard work and 50 fifteen minute chapters on the market as $5 > downloads or 3 on a DVD for $20 we were up to $100 a day in sales. > average. down a little with all the fear out there about money. > > most "pay sites" in our niche sell subscriptions. we prefer > individual sales with active feedback from our customers thru a > guestbook and a yahoo group. we tend to get our money back for each > chapter in the first 48 hours we have it on the market. so we own > our library free and clear. but we don't own much else but a pole > barn. > > we currently run advert free on blip as our 150 or so clips there are > nothing more than commercials for our work - getting some 1200 views > a day. but once we finish the toned down (ever so slightly) set of 6 > shows for australian broadcast we might park them on blip and troll > for a sponsor. > > we had invited a third artist into this project. he helped us get up > and running but dropped out. we'd take him back in a heartbeat, but > he can't wait for the money like we can. > > mind you during this year and a half we have been deleted from > youtube some dozen times in spite of millions of channel views with > no complaints. seems it might be industrial sabotage of some sort - > one is likely to find hot competion in a well funded niche. > > this year i hope to add ringtones and wallpapers to our product line, > see about getting into the i-tunes store, and sacrifice 40% of the > sale price to sell some more of our commercials on clips4sale. > > we are maybe getting close "1000 true fans" level where we will > venture into the exciting world of profit. > > the above is offered in hopes it will help someone else believe in > themselves enough to try. > > --- In [email protected], Ron Watson <k9d...@...> wrote: > > > > I don't care about people doing this for me, it's not about dog > > sports. It's not about me. My stuff was only an example. > > > > This is about the concept of profit sharing with producers and > > supplementing income of video producers and giving much needed > help > > to community developers. > > > > It's the idea that I'm pushing, I don't want to push anybody into > > doing anything for me, but I do think this idea has merit and am a > > bit confused about the lack of interest on the list here. > > > > I hate this kind of communication, email lists, it's so easy to get > a > > mixed message. > > > > I do like the latter part of your post, Jay, and think you are on > it. > > > > I don't think Rosenbaum's piece was very groundbreaking either, > other > > than the fact that it was in print (large blog) and it reinforced > > what I've believed and have been in the process of doing for a > couple > > years now. And it did so with a little bit of anecdotal evidence > and > > experience. > > > > I'm not used to seeing my thoughts and ideas in media until > several > > years after they develop. > > > > You are right about the passionate hobbyist supporting their > > community, but I think it goes further than that. I think we're > all > > about to realize just how important community is. We've been > having > > our eyes opened it here Michigan for a few years now and as the > > economy takes it's final spins around the toilet bowl we're all > going > > to get a look at how worthless our lives as consumers feeding an > > economy have become and how damaging it was to our society. > > > > We're all going to want to belong to and we're all going to *need* > to > > belong to something in the near future. > > > > I think that profit sharing for niche content is a viable method > for > > keeping a cottage studio afloat and for getting great content for > > niche communities. > > > > Creating daylight between spectator quality video and decent > > production has to happen in order to get the concept of pay to > play > > video working. > > > > Getting past the flash in the pan YT viral score / instant > celebrity > > thing has to happen as well. > > > > Thanks for the thoughts Jay. Enlightening as always. > > > > peace, > > > > > > Ron Watson > > http://k9disc.blip.tv > > http://k9disc.com > > http://discdogradio.com > > http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Jay dedman wrote: > > > > > > I don't want to beat a dead horse, though, and I can see that > > > there's > > > > little interest on the list in entertaining the concept of > making > > > > money through profit sharing with community developers and small > > > > businesses. > > > > It's a bummer though. It could be the big thing that makes > producing > > > > independent video profitable, or at least not a total money > pit. It > > > > also could put different kinds of creative people in the same > room > > > > and on the same page fostering who knows what kind of exciting > > > > possibilities. > > > > > > I think you just need to change your strategy. > > > Why approach this group who aren't passionate about dog training? > > > Just not something I want to spend my time doing for any amount > of > > > money. > > > > > > BUT I'm sure you know a whole community of dog lovers who now have > > > access to cameras. > > > Harness them to gather video for you. > > > I'm sure they'd love some bucks, but passionate hobbyists often > just > > > do it because they love it. > > > > > > I'm also certain that it'll be easier to get people to record > video > > > and send it to you...then actually getting the to edit the videos > as > > > well. > > > Editing videos is where the real time and skill is. > > > Then you would need to talk serious money because editing video > is not > > > a light task. > > > > > > I personally don't think Michael Rosenbaum's article is very > > > groundbreaking. > > > Porn has done the "pay for download" thing for years. > > > We all could have been doing it as well. > > > Is this "THE YEAR" when people start paying for non-porn > content? > > > Doubtful. > > > > > > Because it's so easy to get free content online...and folks > usually > > > just route around "pay to view" barriers, a more likely scenario > is > > > that people will give you money just because they want to support > the > > > content. They WANT to support you vs they HAVE to pay you to > watch. > > > It's the NPR model vs the Comcast model. > > > > > > A small, but committed, fan base will fund you because they know > that > > > if they don't, you wont exist. > > > This means your creations must be really important to them so take > > > chances and make the things no one else is or can. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > -- > > > http://ryanishungry.com > > > http://jaydedman.com > > > 917 371 6790 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
