On 20 Jun 2005, at 15:02, Marco van de Voort wrote:

I'm no real mac'er, but I'd say it is the software/hardware integration. The
OS  is decent, but not vastly superior IMHO

Not vastly superior to what exactly? OS X 10.4 blows large holes in XP in several areas. It also has large advantages over desktop Linux. O'course that's only my opinion but it is shared by most industry experts.

and neither is the hardware.

Here I agree.

If there is something to it, it is the combination of both.

If I thought I could run Windows apps and games through it I'd run it on my PC as well. I love OS X. Yes Apple hardware is nice too and I wouldn't necessarily stop buying the hardware.

Half of the PC OS problems are due to the infinite amount of hardware it has
to run on.

Actually I have very few hardware problems with XP. It's come on massively since the days of Windows 98 and balky drivers. All the problems I have with Windows relate to a lack of intuitive interface and missing features (or at the very least inferior versions of them) that I use constantly in Mac OS X. Also the quality of software just isn't there for Windows. Only the big-guns in design etc. (most of which started out on the Mac - like Adobe) make relatively good PC Apps. Most others simply wouldn't cut it in the Mac community. The only really good free stuff I have found for the PC is from Mozilla. I also hate the taskbar in Windows, it's a disaster of clutter and confusion compared tot the dock.

Anyhoo. That's just me, or is it? Everyone in my office constantly complains about things on their PCs and most if it is problems arising from Windows being hard to use or badly thought out. Also teaching people to use MS Apps like Word or Excel in Windows is a nightmare. The interface is just so hard to understand. First you have a menu bar from which you can do everything. Then you have button bars in the same place (which causes confusion). Then you have som buttons down the side... and some at the bottom of the screen (by default). And for everyone who is currently preaching OpenOffice as the way out of MS oppression think again, it might be free but it's just as bas as MS Office to use.

OK I'm done... :o)

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