Hi Raul,

You just made my point.  It's the bashing of others that I find objectionable.  
That's why I responded to this thread, otherwise, I would have let it drop.

Les
On May 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> Hello Les. I would agree with you on this provided that people don't bash one 
> another because of it. It's ok to vent, and it's ok to have a mature heated 
> discussion, but it's not ok to bash and talk down to others.
> 
> Thanks.
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> On 5/9/2012 8:54 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> I'd like to offer a suggestion.  Rather than criticizing people for 
>> complaining and adding to this thread, why not allow people to have their 
>> say and let it go.  I cannot blame someone for being frustrated if they lost 
>> access to a feature they had before an upgrade came out.  We're always told 
>> to upgrade the OS as it fixes bugs and security holes.  Yet, when we do and 
>> something is broken as a result and we express concerns about it, some are 
>> chastised for doing so.  No, Apple doesn't owe blind people access, and yes, 
>> people should keep writing Apple in a constructive manner.  But if people 
>> want to blow off steam, better they do it here than with Apple where they 
>> will likely be ignored.  JMO
>> 
>> Les
>> On May 9, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Not By Sight wrote:
>> 
>>> I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this case, Apple
>>> owes the blind community something in regards to full accessibility for
>>> every add on option out there on the market. Whine away people, whine away,
>>> it entertains me!
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: Apple blew it.
>>> 
>>> This is my last note on this topic.
>>> In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS drivers
>>> working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they added the
>>> Humanware Brailliant BI.
>>> Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note taker,
>>> they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
>>> Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they created
>>> with 5.1.
>>> 
>>> The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any third
>>> party.
>>> 
>>> I'm done now.
>>> I think I'll take a long break from this list now.
>>> 
>>> TTFN,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 8, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Ed Worrell<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party products
>>> need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything isn't
>>> Apple's fault.
>>>> 
>>>> Ed
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