Ricardo, good point, I'm also using the high quality premium voice.
which of course all ties into my point about speed. those using higher speeds tend not to use the high quality premium voice synth, as it does not scale as well. so, you have a good point here. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - [email protected] Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 12:24, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, one more thing. A friend of mine said she had this problem ever since getting her 4S. She recently upgrade to the premium voice, and it hasn't gone silent yet. I was wondering, are those having this issue using the compact or premium voice? I'm using premium, and never encountered this bug. Ricardo Walker [email protected] Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris, > > In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of > you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is > set very fast. > > The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. > > I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of > the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. > > So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate > set to just 40%. > > Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a > more moderate level say, 60% or less? > > If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the > issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, > but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to > have in common. > > That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. > > > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > www.neilbarnfather.com > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - [email protected] > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > > On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: > > If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being > above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher > having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in > itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't > addressed either. > > I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would > go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. > Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a > contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this > particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across > various iPhone and iPad models. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out > > even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I > mean turn it off and back on again? > > I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > www.neilbarnfather.com > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - [email protected] > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > > On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: > > I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. > I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. > > Danielle > > > > On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Danielle, >> >> It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to > screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps > running at the time etc. >> >> one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for > long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the > issue resolves. >> >> A: speech rate no more than 60%, >> clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring > in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. >> >> It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. >> >> if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one > of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I > mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> www.neilbarnfather.com >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - [email protected] >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> >> On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote: >> >> Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient > not to use it under a hundred percent. Strangely, I never experienced this > before the 5.01 update. Funny how some people have it and some don't. >> >> Danielle >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" >> <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:53 AM >> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >> >> >>> Eric, >>> >>> Do you have your synth speed set to very fast, or quite slow, I believe > the default is about 30% or perhaps 40% but not faster. >>> >>> I keep mine around 50% but never higher. >>> >>> I also clear the switcher daily and restart. >>> >>> in your posting you give no reference to if you clear the switcher and > restart your iOS device daily. >>> >>> do you do both of these things and what rate do you have VO set to? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> www.neilbarnfather.com >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8 May 2012, at 11:48, Eric SS wrote: >>> >>> I am amazed and confounded that so many who have been here for so >>> long and speak as though they have such great knowledge act as though >>> this is an unheard of experience that is brand new and only happening > with a very few. >>> >>> This has been going on since IOS5. I know I have discussed it at >>> length and probably too much. Apple has never acknowledged the issue, >>> although they did once ask for clarification of what situations caused > it. >>> >>> Trust me, I am a very heavy user and fairly knowledgeable and the >>> issue is real and is not limited just to a few new occurrences on >>> this list. I have tested it under all situations I can come up with >>> on a 4S and old ITouch, with both quality voices and even alternate >>> accents. I have restored both devices on several occasions; complete > restores and not merely from backup. >>> I have methodically added applications to the devices to find if >>> maybe one is causing the problem. None of these has revealed anything but > randomness. >>> >>> The only thing I can see that is more apt to trigger a lockup is >>> quickly scanning elements. I have found if I stop speech or wait >>> until it has finished speaking, I can reduce the occurrences, but >>> even this does not eliminate them. Recovery seems an inexact science, >>> as well. Eighty seconds seems to be the magic time to allow it to >>> right itself, but I count to 40 and then touch the screen to prevent >>> it going dem or to sleep, and then wait another 40 counts. It may not >>> be exactly 80 seconds, but a count of 80 seems to be about right. >>> Otherwise, you can restart the phone with multiple presses of the >>> power button, but that will start you back at the home screen. I read >>> a lot in Safari, and it is maddening to have to find your place in >>> the middle of the New York Times once or twice per issue. Hence, nursing > the device to recover on its own is best. >>> >>> I have had this locking up in nearly every application from those I >>> have purchased to native apps. Again, it seems to be most consistent >>> when skimming from element to element. They do not have to be >>> paragraph length clips, but may be dates in the calendar app. >>> >>> I have presented all of this to Apple on many occasions and have >>> begged their assistance or at least some acknowledgement of the >>> issue. As I said, beyond requesting more information one time, I have >>> never even been given so much as a thank you for your inquiry. >>> >>> The only reasons I can think some don't seem to be having this issue >>> ever is like they used to say with Windows: If you have not crashed, >>> you are not using your computer enough. Well, there could be some Fan >>> Children refusal to believe anything could ever be amiss with one of >>> the annointed's blessings, too,. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Daniel Miller >>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:21 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>> >>> Um, what speech locking up are you talking about? I don't have that > issue. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of James Mannion >>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:15 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>> >>> It doesn't really sound like this release addressed much. I would not >>> be surprised if there are few or no fixes for anything accessibility. >>> They may have made a quick fix for the app launching on unlock since >>> people made such a huge deal out of that small avoidable not really a >>> problem issue, but I wish they would fix the speech locking up over >>> that one. It is really strange though that they put out this release >>> to fix what appear to be such minor issues and they let huge issues >>> hang out there for 6 or 9 months until some planned release and at least > claim to have addressed them. >>> Purely speculation here of course on all of this, but I am betting >>> there was some change in this release that Apple has some motivation >>> to make and it is not written anywhere. >>> Something like a jailbreak whole patched or something. >>> >>> On 5/7/12, Veronica Elsea <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Anyone know if 5.1.1 addresses the blue tooth issue that prevented >>>> the Braille Sense OnHand from working properly with the phone? Thanks. >>>> >>>> Veronica >>>> >>>> At 01:07 PM 5/7/2012, you wrote: >>>>> Another issue not addressed, apparently, is in the calendar. When >>>>> you select all day as an option, it Kicks you completely out of the >>>>> calendar still. >>>>> >>>>> It does not give me hope that they have addressed the speech >>>>> locking up issue, either. We can only hope! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Telephone: (614) 522-9725 >>>>> Skype: sseric57 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Scott Howell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well it may be a little early to tell if this issue has been >>>>> addressed, but I am not seeing the issue where occasionally the >>>>> phone app would launch when I unlocked the screen. So, this may be >>>>> one item not addressed in the release notes. I guess only time will > tell. >>>>> >>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Cristobal wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I downloaded it this time with no issues. The one bug I was glad >>>>>> to see addressed and I always encountered was that purchase prompt >>>>>> error >>>>> every time >>>>>> I downloaded an app about how x number of items were unable to be >>>>>> downloaded. Other than that, I didn't notice anything on the list >>>>>> of fixes that I had trouble with. I guess I'll keep an eye out per >>>>>> say for any accessibility improvements/fixes. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner >>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 11:54 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jenifer and all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just because accessibility isn't mentioned in the summary of the >>>>>> update doesn't necessarily mean no accessibility improvements will >>>>>> be >>> included. >>>>>> There may not be any, but there have certainly been times in the >>>>>> past where there were some, but they weren't mentioned in the >>>>>> update What's New summary. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Anna >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Jenifer Gilley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nothing accessibility. A few bugs that were addressed in photo >>>>>>> stream, >>>>>> airplay, and two more things I can't remember, but nothing that >>>>>> has to do with accessibility. I'm updating now though just because. >>>>>>> Jenifer Gilley >>>>>>> email >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> MSN: >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Cristobal >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:53 PM >>>>>>> Subject: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It appears that iOS 5.1.1 is out for iPhones, Touches and iPads >>>>>>> for those >>>>>> who wish to give it a try. I remember running into some issues >>>>>> that didn't prevent me from updating to 5.1 on my phone, but did >>>>>> crash it the >>>>> first time >>>>>> I tried downloading it. Gizmodo only mentions a few bug fixes so I >>>>>> don't know if there's anything accessibility related. 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