The only way speech comes back without waiting is to restart the phone. On very rare occasions, after no more than ten seconds, which ever app I happen to be using closes, I am back at the home screen and speech is working. The change in speech rate didn't affect the frequency.
Sent from my iPhone On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 PM, "James Mannion" <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it would be helpful to know if you are able to determine, did > the slower rate change the issue any, I.E. did the speech come back > any more quickly? Also, have you found any way that you use to regain > speech when it happens other than wait 60 to 90 seconds or longer? > > Jim > > > On 5/9/12, Damshe Thomas <[email protected]> wrote: >> I have been experiencing the same loss of speech. Initially, I was using >> speech at 100 percent. The same thought occurred to me so I reduced my >> speech rate to sixty percent. Sixty percent didn't solve the issue so I >> tried fifty percent and have continued to encounter the problem. I went as >> far as reseting my phone and maintaining speech rate of sixty percent. For >> me, the issue has persisted. Just reference, I am using an iPhone 4 and have >> experienced this loss of speech since 5.01 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> >>> In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those >>> of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth >>> speed is set very fast. >>> >>> The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. >>> >>> I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of >>> the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. >>> >>> So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech >>> rate set to just 40%. >>> >>> Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a >>> more moderate level say, 60% or less? >>> >>> If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has >>> the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this >>> issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer >>> it seem to have in common. >>> >>> That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> www.neilbarnfather.com >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: >>> >>> If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being >>> above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher >>> having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that >>> in >>> itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't >>> addressed either. >>> >>> I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I >>> would >>> go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. >>> Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a >>> contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this >>> particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across >>> various iPhone and iPad models. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>> >>> even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I >>> mean turn it off and back on again? >>> >>> I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> www.neilbarnfather.com >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: >>> >>> I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. >>> I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. >>> >>> Danielle >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Danielle, >>>> >>>> It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating >>>> to >>> screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps >>> running at the time etc. >>>> >>>> one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for >>> long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the >>> issue resolves. >>>> >>>> A: speech rate no more than 60%, >>>> clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings >>>> occurring >>> in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. >>>> >>>> It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. >>>> >>>> if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after >>>> one >>> of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I >>> mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Neil Barnfather >>>> >>>> Talks List Administrator >>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>> www.neilbarnfather.com >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>>> >>>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote: >>>> >>>> Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient >>> not to use it under a hundred percent. Strangely, I never experienced this >>> before the 5.01 update. Funny how some people have it and some don't. >>>> >>>> Danielle >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:53 AM >>>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>> >>>> >>>>> Eric, >>>>> >>>>> Do you have your synth speed set to very fast, or quite slow, I believe >>> the default is about 30% or perhaps 40% but not faster. >>>>> >>>>> I keep mine around 50% but never higher. >>>>> >>>>> I also clear the switcher daily and restart. >>>>> >>>>> in your posting you give no reference to if you clear the switcher and >>> restart your iOS device daily. >>>>> >>>>> do you do both of these things and what rate do you have VO set to? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Neil Barnfather >>>>> >>>>> Talks List Administrator >>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>>> www.neilbarnfather.com >>>>> >>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>>>> >>>>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>>>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8 May 2012, at 11:48, Eric SS wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am amazed and confounded that so many who have been here for so >>>>> long and speak as though they have such great knowledge act as though >>>>> this is an unheard of experience that is brand new and only happening >>> with a very few. >>>>> >>>>> This has been going on since IOS5. I know I have discussed it at >>>>> length and probably too much. Apple has never acknowledged the issue, >>>>> although they did once ask for clarification of what situations caused >>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Trust me, I am a very heavy user and fairly knowledgeable and the >>>>> issue is real and is not limited just to a few new occurrences on >>>>> this list. I have tested it under all situations I can come up with >>>>> on a 4S and old ITouch, with both quality voices and even alternate >>>>> accents. I have restored both devices on several occasions; complete >>> restores and not merely from backup. >>>>> I have methodically added applications to the devices to find if >>>>> maybe one is causing the problem. None of these has revealed anything >>>>> but >>> randomness. >>>>> >>>>> The only thing I can see that is more apt to trigger a lockup is >>>>> quickly scanning elements. I have found if I stop speech or wait >>>>> until it has finished speaking, I can reduce the occurrences, but >>>>> even this does not eliminate them. Recovery seems an inexact science, >>>>> as well. Eighty seconds seems to be the magic time to allow it to >>>>> right itself, but I count to 40 and then touch the screen to prevent >>>>> it going dem or to sleep, and then wait another 40 counts. It may not >>>>> be exactly 80 seconds, but a count of 80 seems to be about right. >>>>> Otherwise, you can restart the phone with multiple presses of the >>>>> power button, but that will start you back at the home screen. I read >>>>> a lot in Safari, and it is maddening to have to find your place in >>>>> the middle of the New York Times once or twice per issue. Hence, nursing >>> the device to recover on its own is best. >>>>> >>>>> I have had this locking up in nearly every application from those I >>>>> have purchased to native apps. Again, it seems to be most consistent >>>>> when skimming from element to element. They do not have to be >>>>> paragraph length clips, but may be dates in the calendar app. >>>>> >>>>> I have presented all of this to Apple on many occasions and have >>>>> begged their assistance or at least some acknowledgement of the >>>>> issue. As I said, beyond requesting more information one time, I have >>>>> never even been given so much as a thank you for your inquiry. >>>>> >>>>> The only reasons I can think some don't seem to be having this issue >>>>> ever is like they used to say with Windows: If you have not crashed, >>>>> you are not using your computer enough. Well, there could be some Fan >>>>> Children refusal to believe anything could ever be amiss with one of >>>>> the annointed's blessings, too,. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Daniel Miller >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:21 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>>> >>>>> Um, what speech locking up are you talking about? I don't have that >>> issue. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of James Mannion >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:15 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>>> >>>>> It doesn't really sound like this release addressed much. I would not >>>>> be surprised if there are few or no fixes for anything accessibility. >>>>> They may have made a quick fix for the app launching on unlock since >>>>> people made such a huge deal out of that small avoidable not really a >>>>> problem issue, but I wish they would fix the speech locking up over >>>>> that one. It is really strange though that they put out this release >>>>> to fix what appear to be such minor issues and they let huge issues >>>>> hang out there for 6 or 9 months until some planned release and at least >>> claim to have addressed them. >>>>> Purely speculation here of course on all of this, but I am betting >>>>> there was some change in this release that Apple has some motivation >>>>> to make and it is not written anywhere. >>>>> Something like a jailbreak whole patched or something. >>>>> >>>>> On 5/7/12, Veronica Elsea <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Anyone know if 5.1.1 addresses the blue tooth issue that prevented >>>>>> the Braille Sense OnHand from working properly with the phone? Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Veronica >>>>>> >>>>>> At 01:07 PM 5/7/2012, you wrote: >>>>>>> Another issue not addressed, apparently, is in the calendar. When >>>>>>> you select all day as an option, it Kicks you completely out of the >>>>>>> calendar still. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It does not give me hope that they have addressed the speech >>>>>>> locking up issue, either. We can only hope! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Telephone: (614) 522-9725 >>>>>>> Skype: sseric57 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Scott Howell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well it may be a little early to tell if this issue has been >>>>>>> addressed, but I am not seeing the issue where occasionally the >>>>>>> phone app would launch when I unlocked the screen. So, this may be >>>>>>> one item not addressed in the release notes. I guess only time will >>> tell. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Cristobal wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I downloaded it this time with no issues. The one bug I was glad >>>>>>>> to see addressed and I always encountered was that purchase prompt >>>>>>>> error >>>>>>> every time >>>>>>>> I downloaded an app about how x number of items were unable to be >>>>>>>> downloaded. Other than that, I didn't notice anything on the list >>>>>>>> of fixes that I had trouble with. I guess I'll keep an eye out per >>>>>>>> say for any accessibility improvements/fixes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 11:54 AM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jenifer and all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just because accessibility isn't mentioned in the summary of the >>>>>>>> update doesn't necessarily mean no accessibility improvements will >>>>>>>> be >>>>> included. >>>>>>>> There may not be any, but there have certainly been times in the >>>>>>>> past where there were some, but they weren't mentioned in the >>>>>>>> update What's New summary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Anna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Jenifer Gilley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nothing accessibility. A few bugs that were addressed in photo >>>>>>>>> stream, >>>>>>>> airplay, and two more things I can't remember, but nothing that >>>>>>>> has to do with accessibility. I'm updating now though just because. >>>>>>>>> Jenifer Gilley >>>>>>>>> email >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> MSN: >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Cristobal >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:53 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It appears that iOS 5.1.1 is out for iPhones, Touches and iPads >>>>>>>>> for those >>>>>>>> who wish to give it a try. I remember running into some issues >>>>>>>> that didn't prevent me from updating to 5.1 on my phone, but did >>>>>>>> crash it the >>>>>>> first time >>>>>>>> I tried downloading it. Gizmodo only mentions a few bug fixes so I >>>>>>>> don't know if there's anything accessibility related. 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