Hi. Maybe the paragraph item in the rotor might be a new VO feature in IOS 6? I might write to Apple Accessibility, and see if they could implement this.
On 2012-07-14, at 8:17 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > Paul: > > Yes, I find that most note taking apps & iOs apps in general are very > easy to use with a keyboard. In regards to moving by line, this is a > vo feature so yes, it's perfectly possible. Can't speak about finding > text & editing since I don't really do iether on my iDevices. Scott > makes a good point about integrating paragraphs into the roter. > > Cheers, > Ben. > > On 7/14/12, Scott Howell <[email protected]> wrote: >> What would make more sense is if paragraph was added to the VoiceOver rotor. >> I suspect that would be another tool in the kit. >> >> On Jul 14, 2012, at 12:24 AM, Paul Henrichsen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> John. Can you show me a notetaking app which will allow you to jump by >>> paragraph? How about one that will allow you to find a phrase within a >>> document then jump to that phrase. This app could be as powerful as having >>> a braille notetaker but not spending the $6000. >>> I'd rather pay for a notetaking app that would emulate a braille >>> notetaker; that will do the same thing that it does. I'm no longer >>> interested in spending $6000 just so I can have the notetaking and editing >>> capabilities that a notetaker has. >>> I don't consider that a blind ghetto product. >>> >>> On Jul 12, 2012, at 9:21 PM, Jon Pierson wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Yes, most of the "features" mentioned, especially (all that talk of >>>> compatibility) is due to Apple's implementations. The "Access World" app >>>> seems to be nothing more than a proprietary reader for their own >>>> publication. I'm starting to smell that ghetto mentality that says that >>>> blind folk need different apps, devices and technology, not improvements >>>> in >>>> existing programs that would make us nearly equal. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Ben Mustill-Rose >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:32 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: AccessNote AFB's New Notetaker for your IOS Device >>>> >>>> They seem pretty proud that it works with wireless keyboards and braille >>>> displays; I can't think of an app that I've used that works with vo that >>>> isn't usable with a keyboard. The only vaguely interesting things seem to >>>> be >>>> the custom hotkeys and the tilt feature, although I'm not sure what's >>>> wrong >>>> with a turn the page style swipe. >>>> AFB & the creaters almost certainly don't think it's worth the pricetag, >>>> but >>>> unfortunately this is just economies of scale coming into play - because >>>> such a small amount of people will buy the app, they simply can't charge >>>> any >>>> less assuming they want to profit. It's a shame really; it doesn't sound >>>> like it's going to be anything overly special, but for the mostpart, if >>>> an >>>> app has a nice UI (Which this probably will do), I'll buy it even if it >>>> does >>>> the same thing as another app that I already use, but in this case, it >>>> looks >>>> like it will be too much. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ben. >>>> >>>> On 7/12/12, Hope Paulos <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Wish it had Microsoft word format >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 12, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Matthew Campbell >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> I'm sending this again as I'm not sure if it got through originally. >>>>>> Sorry fore those of you seeing this again. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about a link to this article too? >>>>>> I sure hope it's under $30. How about under $10 or I'm not buying. >>>>>> It's a note taking app not a gold plated notebook. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2012-07-12, at 4:55 PM, Jessica Brown wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How do I contact the AFB Tech lab with feedback? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Steve" <[email protected] >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>,"the-facts-machine" >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:41:49 -0400 >>>>>>> Subject: AccessNote AFB's New Notetaker for your IOS Device >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BlankThis is the announcement, it is not released yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "A person cannot survive as a true Spartan fan unless he is a bit of >>>>>>> a masochist and a very large optimist." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> Lansing, MI >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AccessNote: AFB's New Note Taker for Your iOS Device >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Darren Burton and Ricky Kirkendall >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The AFB Tech lab is excited to announce that AFB will soon be >>>>>>> releasing AccessNote, a note taker for your iPhone or other iOS >>>>>>> device. AFB Tech, in conjunction with FloCo Apps, LLC, has designed >>>>>>> what is expected to be a groundbreaking productivity tool for people >>>>>>> with vision loss, and developers plan for its launch at the App >>>>>>> Store later this summer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AccessNote is a powerful and efficient note taker that takes >>>>>>> advantage of the tremendous built-in accessibility of your iPhone, >>>>>>> iPod Touch, or iPad. >>>>>>> To >>>>>>> allow for much greater typing speed, increase accuracy, and permit >>>>>>> keyboard commands, AccessNote is designed to be used with the Apple >>>>>>> Wireless Keyboard >>>>>>> (QWERTY) as well as wireless braille keyboards and displays. >>>>>>> AccessNote will be completely compatible with VoiceOver and the iOS >>>>>>> screen reader. It can be used without a keyboard, but a keyboard >>>>>>> adds efficiency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Description of AccessNote >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although there is not yet a final price point, AccessNote will be >>>>>>> priced under $30, and it will have many of the features found in >>>>>>> traditional note takers and accessible PDAs. AccessNote creates >>>>>>> notes in the .TXT file format, and it can also import .TXT files >>>>>>> from e-mail or Dropbox accounts. It is designed with a clean, simple >>>>>>> interface that uses standard iOS design techniques, so its layout >>>>>>> will be familiar to iOS device users. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The home screen is titled All Notes, which is the heading at the top >>>>>>> of the screen. The next element is the "Add" button (for adding a >>>>>>> new note) followed by the Search field. Next is the user's list of >>>>>>> files and notes, which includes a table index for quickly scrolling >>>>>>> through notes. Finally, there are three buttons at the bottom of the >>>>>>> home screen: "Settings," "Favorites," and "Help." Once the user is >>>>>>> in a note, the screen includes a "Back" button to go back to the All >>>>>>> Notes screen as well as a "Review" button for going into a read-only >>>>>>> mode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some of the features designed into AccessNote include: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> list of 7 items >>>>>>> . Compatibility with the Apple Wireless Keyboard and wireless >>>>>>> braille displays. >>>>>>> . Fast and efficient navigation. >>>>>>> . Powerful search features. >>>>>>> . Automatic saving and syncing with Dropbox files. >>>>>>> . Customized keyboard commands. >>>>>>> . A review feature. >>>>>>> . Options for larger text. >>>>>>> list end >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Compatibility with the Apple Wireless Keyboard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although typing on an iOS touchscreen is certainly accessible, it is >>>>>>> not nearly as efficient as using a traditional QWERTY keyboard, a >>>>>>> primary reason for designing AccessNote for use with the Apple >>>>>>> Wireless Keyboard (available from Apple for $69). Another reason is >>>>>>> due to how well the Apple Wireless Keyboard works with VoiceOver to >>>>>>> control an iOS device. There are keyboard commands for nearly all of >>>>>>> VoiceOver's gestures, including swiping/flicking, using the rotor, >>>>>>> and reading text. AccessNote will also be compatible with wireless >>>>>>> refreshable braille displays. So far, AccessNote has been tested >>>>>>> with the >>>>>>> BraillePen12 from Aroga, >>>>>>> which also has many commands for controlling an iOS device. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fast and Efficient Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Using the Apple Wireless Keyboard, users have several options for >>>>>>> navigating a note. These options include navigating and reading by >>>>>>> character, word, line, paragraph, page, or note. Users can also jump >>>>>>> to a particular word or phrase with the Find feature, and users can >>>>>>> also quickly jump to the top or bottom of a note. These navigation >>>>>>> features also work on the device itself using standard and custom >>>>>>> VoiceOver gestures, and most of the commands are available on >>>>>>> wireless braille displays. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Powerful Search Features >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AccessNote has two powerful features for searching notes: Search and >>>>>>> Find. >>>>>>> Search (found on the All Notes screen) is a global search tool used >>>>>>> for searching for text throughout all of the user's files, and it >>>>>>> can also search for file names. Find is used to search for text >>>>>>> within the current note that is open.. >>>>>>> To activate the Find feature, users can use the Option + F command >>>>>>> for the keyboard or a "double-tap and hold" gesture for use on the >>>>>>> iOS device itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Automatic Saving and Syncing with Dropbox Files >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To avoid any data loss, all edits are automatically saved when >>>>>>> typing in a note. AccessNote also syncs automatically with the >>>>>>> user's Dropbox account, so you have all your files all of the time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Customized Keyboard Commands >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The AFB Tech lab was able to create a handful of customized keyboard >>>>>>> commands for the Apple Wireless Keyboard. These commands include: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> list of 6 items >>>>>>> . Option + C to create a new note. >>>>>>> . Option + R to rename a note. >>>>>>> . Option + F to search for text within a note. >>>>>>> . Option + P to search for a previous note. >>>>>>> . Option + O to move to the next note. >>>>>>> . Option + M to mark a note as a favorite. >>>>>>> list end >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although these custom commands have not yet been added for the >>>>>>> wireless braille displays, this could come in a future update. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Review Feature >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In case users simply want to read their notes (for example, when >>>>>>> studying for an exam), there is a convenient "Review" button at the >>>>>>> top of each note.. >>>>>>> When >>>>>>> using the Review feature, AccessNote is in a read-only mode, and >>>>>>> thus, users don't have to worry about making any unwanted edits. >>>>>>> There are also "tilt" >>>>>>> gestures available when using the Review feature. Simply tilt the >>>>>>> iOS device to the right to quickly switch to the next note or tilt >>>>>>> it to the left to switch to the previous note. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Options for Larger Text >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In Settings there is an option to choose the default text size. The >>>>>>> available sizes are 14 point, 18 point, and 22 point font. >>>>>>> AccessNote will also work with the Zoom feature built into iOS, but >>>>>>> Zoom cannot be used at the same time as VoiceOver. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Feedback Matters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AFB Tech is very excited about AccessNote and has high hopes for its >>>>>>> release. Because Apple's iOS devices are very powerful, AFB Tech >>>>>>> wants to take advantage of that to allow students and professionals >>>>>>> to use the same mainstream device that their sighted peers are >>>>>>> using. The developers, of course, will be looking for feedback from >>>>>>> those who purchase and use AccessNote, and they are anxious to hear >>>>>>> your reactions to the new note taker. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This of course turns the tables on the AFB Tech lab rats. For years, >>>>>>> those in the AFB Tech product evaluation lab have been evaluating >>>>>>> products designed by others and have never been known to pull any >>>>>>> punches, so please let the lab have it if it has missed the mark. It >>>>>>> is ready for the good, the bad, and the ugly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The AFB Tech lab appreciates the feedback received from readers >>>>>>> using the AccessWorld app, which was the first iOS app AFB Tech >>>>>>> developed in conjunction with FloCo Apps, LLC. The developers added >>>>>>> several ideas provided by the readers to the AccessWorld app and >>>>>>> hope to do the same for AccessNote upon its highly anticipated >>>>>>> release. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stay tuned to AccessWorld and the AFB Blog for announcements of >>>>>>> AccessNote's official release date. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "A person cannot survive as a true Spartan fan unless he is a bit of >>>>>>> a masochist and a very large optimist." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> Lansing, MI >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>>>> Google Group. >>>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>>>> Google Group. >>>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>>> Google Group. >>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>> Google Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google >>>> Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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