Hey totally agree and I have nothing against carriers making money. I do 
however think I could create plans that would make money and make subscribers 
happy. There is a balance and consumers and carriers just haven't found it 
quite yet. :)

On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Raul A. Gallegos <r...@raulgallegos.com> wrote:

> Hello Scott, I think when you say cash cow you have it spot on. I mean, let's 
> take texting, it wasn't originally designed for communications between users 
> to begin with and it doesn't cost the company more than a third of a cent to 
> send out a text, yet they charge $30 a month for unlimited? It's because of 
> so many people liking to text that they can get away with it. Don't get me 
> wrong, I'm all for companies making money, after all, they are a business and 
> in it for the money, but still seems a bit steep. Yet people like myself like 
> the offerings and so pay for it. So, I guess I can't complain too much since 
> I'm a satisfied customer over all. However it wouldn't hurt my feelings if 
> the plans were reconsidered.
> 
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> On 8/30/2012 5:31 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> Raul,
>> 
>> Where things get incredibly silly is as you increase your data from perhaps 
>> 4Gb to 6Gb the base cost goes down but the per phone charge goes up. So, the 
>> only way these data plans make sense is for people with lots of devices. 
>> AT&T really did not take into account the families with two or three phones. 
>> The $70 for unlimited text and voice is not to bad I suppose, although the 
>> cost for text is so out of line with reality, but hey it is a cash-cow for 
>> carriers. :)
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Raul A. Gallegos <r...@raulgallegos.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, basically here's how they work. You get unlimited voice calls and 
>>> texts. You pay for a base plan, which doesn't include any phones, but then 
>>> you pay for each phone you add. As an example, if you go with a 4gb plan 
>>> with 3 phones, you would pay $70 for the plan itself and $40 per phone. So, 
>>> do the math. 70 + 120 is 190 plus tax. Now if you take one of their older 
>>> plans like the 700 minute shared minute plan with unlimited text and mobile 
>>> to any mobile and 3 phones, the cost is 60 for the plan, plus 30 for the 
>>> texting, plus roughly 10 per each phone, plus the data on those phones. So, 
>>> 60 plus 30 plus 30 for 3 phones makes 120. Now add data. Let's say 30 per 
>>> phone for 3gb each. that's an extra 90 making it 210. So maybe going with 
>>> the 4gb plan for those same 3 phones will save you 20. However if you have 
>>> an older plan like the one paying 15 or 20 per month on data plans, then 
>>> switching to the new data shared plan costs more.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
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>>> On 8/26/2012 8:52 PM, Vicky Collins wrote:
>>>> I just went to the AT&T site, and looks like they now have the personal
>>>> hotspot feature free with their new shared data plans as well.  I have
>>>> it under one of their older plans, and so am paying extra for it.
>>>> Although, grin, perhaps I'm not really paying any more in the long run,
>>>> but I just couldn't figure that out for sure.  I tried to wade through
>>>> the AT&T site to understand their shared data information, but finally
>>>> just got kind of frustrated and quit looking for right now.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Kevin Barry <krba...@gmail.com
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date sent: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:42:51 -0400
>>>> Subject: RE: iPhone as personal hotspot.
>>>> 
>>>> In theory yes; however I have the old plan and tethering works.
>>>> I don't use it as I have zero  need to do it.
>>>> I'll never sign up for the  new rippoff so-called shared data plans.
>>>> 
>>>> At 08:05 PM 8/26/2012, you wrote:
>>>> Right if you have vzw's new plan it is included however if you are on
>>>> one of
>>>> the old plans it is still an add on feature.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Corey Cook
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>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of CD
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:56 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: iPhone as personal hotspot.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know.  Verizon does it with their shared plan.  It's a new thing.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Jenifer
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 3:46 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: iPhone as personal hotspot.
>>>> 
>>>> Does at&t?
>>>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 6:34 PM, "CD" <cd5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Verizon has tethering free but I haven't figured out how to do it either.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Jenifer
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 3:28 PM
>>>> To: The iPhone List
>>>> Subject: iPhone as personal hotspot.
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> How would I set my iPhone 4S as a personal wy-fy hotspot that I can
>>>> connect my Mack to?  I have wy-fy at home but not anywhere else. Any
>>>> suggestions?
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> Jenifer
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