Are you looking in the right spot? Once you go to Settings > WiFi, you have to 
go all the way to the end even past the "Ask to join networks" button and the 
explanation "Known networks will be joined automatically, if no known networks 
are available you will have to manually select a network".
The WiFi Thermostats from RadioThermostats.com also initially show up there 
until they are connected to your WiFi, if the Neato is still not there I'd get 
a sighted person to reset it and see if that helps.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Jenifer Barr
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 1:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: For Jenifer: Fwd: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.

Hi Sandy.
I'm still trying to connect the Neato.  to wifi.  My neato is not shown as an 
access point.  Wifi is on but my phone just can't see the temporary access 
point.  Verry frustrated.  LOL.
Thanks for trying to help.
Jen

On 8/6/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Jenifer,
>
>     Don't worry! This first bit, getting it connected, is the most 
> frustrating because we don't have control over it. Once connected, the 
> app will work for you. Now, when you say that pressing the righthand 
> button gets it to clean just a small area, I wonder if we are talking 
> the right way round? If you have the Bot, on the floor, in front of 
> you, with the straight edge nearest to you, then the left button is 
> the spot clean button and the right is the Clean house button.
>
>     Also, Jen, some questions:
> 1. Are you sure the wifi has been turned on on the Bot and the screen 
> returned to the home screen?
> 2. Have you done the thing where the BotVac becomes a temporary access 
> point, I think that is what it was called?
> 3. Have you entered your router's password in the app on your phone?
> 4. I think there is a time constraint, so, if you only have sighted 
> help to turn on the wifi and then do the rest on your phone, without 
> the sighted help remaining with you, if something goes wrong, you have 
> to reset the hoover and start again. For this reason, I suggest that 
> you keep your sighted help with you until you are successfully connected.
> 5. If you have done all these things, and you need to try again, or, 
> if all went well, but no connection is happening, reset the Bot. There 
> are 3 ways to do this, I don't know one of them, but the other 2 are as 
> follows:
> 1. Open the dustbin, with the Bot in front of you, straight edge 
> nearest to you, feel in the space where the dustbin and cover were. 
> nearest to you, on the left, inside the cavity, is a small slider 
> switch. Slide this up and wait for 5 minutes. (this is probably 
> over-kill, but won't hurt) then turn the switch back down.
> 2. Again, with the straight edge toward you, press and hold the 
> righthand button (which is known as the Home button and is the one for 
> cleaning the whole house" Don't let go, keep pressing for 15 seconds.
>
> With both these ways of resetting the machine, you will have to give 
> it some time to find the wifi network. Please note that once you have 
> successfully connected with your phone via the app, even resetting the 
> Bot will not undo the wifi setting, you don't have to go through this again!!!
>
> The only other thing I can suggest is, if you have been connected and 
> seen the Bot on your phone with the app, but it says "Robot off-line" 
> which they do sometimes do and it might be the app and not the Bot's 
> fault, close the app through the app  switcher, and relaunch it.
>
>     So, press the right hand button and your bot should start to clean 
> the whole floor.
>
> Good luck and do keep me posted.
>
> Sandy.
>
> sent from the dark side of the moon
>
>> On 6 Aug 2016, at 13:58, Jenifer Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sandy and Jeremy.
>> Still haven't gotten it connected... found the dustbin, thanks Sandy...
>> but is there a way to manually vacuum the whole floor? I tried the 
>> right hand button but it seems to do just an area also.
>> Thanks for all of the help... hopefully getting it connected soon!
>>
>>
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Jenifer571 on dice world
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 6:27 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jen,
>>>
>>>   With the straight side toward you, the left hand button is for 
>>> "spot clean" which is a setting which allows the Bot to clean either 
>>> a square of about 6 x 6 feet or 14 x 14 feet (depending on how you have set 
>>> it).
>>> So, maybe, you have a carpet that wants a little more attention, put 
>>> the straight edge of the Vac centrally, along one side, just off the 
>>> carpet, press the spot clean button, or use the app, and your carpet 
>>> will be attended to!!
>>>
>>>    As Jeramy said, you could call the support people, or, using the 
>>> app choose "help" which will take you to their support page, where 
>>> there is a wealth of info, advice on doing stuff or a chat line with 
>>> their help. If you are sure that the Bot is connected to your wifi, 
>>> then choose "add" in the menu page of the app. You have to add the 
>>> new Vac, plus name, to your app, you should then start to be 
>>> instructed as to how to proceed. You will need your password for your 
>>> router though.
>>>
>>>    Once you are up and running, and you need to empty the dustbin, 
>>> you will feel a gap on the top of the Vac, if you put your fingers 
>>> in there, which works as a sort of handle for carrying the Bot 
>>> around, if you turn your hand around, instead of using the handle, 
>>> you will find that by lifting, a top flap will open, very easily! 
>>> this is the dustbin, the top flap is part of it. I think you will 
>>> have to take a look and come back to me, because, it is very easy to 
>>> do, but not easy to describe without you take a look first! Come 
>>> back to me off list if you need more assistance, my address, which, for 
>>> some reason, doesn't show up here, is:
>>> [email protected]
>>> Good luck and happy Hoovering!
>>> Sandy.
>>>
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>
>>>> On 5 Aug 2016, at 10:54, Jeremy Gilley <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok,
>>>> To answer one of your questions... if the canister is full, it will 
>>>> just stop.
>>>> It will not go back to the base. You will need to find it and empty 
>>>> it yourself.
>>>> The only times it returns to the base is if the vac needs to be 
>>>> charged, or its done vacuming.
>>>> Secondly, the button on the front right is like a manual starter 
>>>> for the vac if you want to press it and hold it down for a couple 
>>>> seconds, should start the neato to vacume.
>>>> I forget the button on the left sense I never used it heh.
>>>> As for setting up wi-fi with your phone, might want to call tech 
>>>> support and they can talk you through connecting the vac to your 
>>>> phone as long as you have sighted assistance with you.
>>>> You will need your wi-fi password to enter into the app as well.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Jenifer Barr
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 5:34 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: For Jenifer: Fwd: Small update on the BotVac app 
>>>> accessibility.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Sandy.
>>>> I did get the Neato vacuum.  The proble I'm having now?  connecting 
>>>> it.  LOL. My friend says Wi-Fi is on and my Wi-Fi is checked, but 
>>>> my phone still won't find the vacuum.
>>>> Also, what do the buttons do... the two near the bottom that you 
>>>> can actually feel?  And, how do you remove the canister?  If the 
>>>> canister is full, will it automatically go back to the base?
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry everyone for starting this thread again but I was moving 
>>>> and had so much going on, I thought I'd saved all of these emails 
>>>> for future reference.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Jen
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/5/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jenifer,
>>>>>
>>>>>   Here is part of the thread that, I think, you are looking for. 
>>>>> There
>>>> is
>>>>> also the Roomba 980, which was the Vac that we started with. So, I 
>>>>> am not sure which one you are looking for. The one I have and, 
>>>>> which others on
>>>> the
>>>>> list have bought, is called the Neato BotVac Connected. Earlier 
>>>>> Neato Vacuums were not usable with an app, for this reason, if 
>>>>> this is the
>>>> device
>>>>> you are interested in, you need to look at the BotVac with the 
>>>>> name Connected in the title from NeatoRobotics.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH, Sandy.
>>>>> P.S. Mine is still doing great and works very well with the app!
>>>>>
>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Date: 5 July 2016 at 18:36:29 GMT+1
>>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.
>>>>>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Annie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You shouldn't have to worry about your router, it should connect 
>>>>>> to whatever device and normally 2.4 Ghz is actually better with 
>>>>>> respect to signal quality, only thing is that if there are lots 
>>>>>> of 2.4 Ghz devices there can sometimes be interference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Sieghard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:23 AM
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Annie,
>>>>>> I do know this for certain, but back will not work on the highest 
>>>>>> setting of your router. now, whether they will change this in the 
>>>>>> future, or, how easy it would be for you to change the setting 
>>>>>> yourself when needed, I don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2016, at 13:40, Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Sandra.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I would love one of these vacuum cleaners, I need sighted 
>>>>>>> assistance for vacuum cleaning, and if that could be saved 
>>>>>>> sometimes, it could mean a little more freedom to me. My only 
>>>>>>> problem now is if I would get in trouble with all my 5 ghz 
>>>>>>> attached items. The 2.4 ghz is not working as good as the 5 ghz 
>>>>>>> network. I have talked to my brother he thinks it
>>>> ought
>>>>>>> to work, but he is also blind, but he knows a lot about routers, 
>>>>>>> that is not something that I am an expert in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards Annie.
>>>>>>>> Den 3. jul. 2016 kl. 14.27 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Annie,
>>>>>>>> If your router is set to the 2.4, you should be good to go! You 
>>>>>>>> could always double check by going to neato robotics.calm and 
>>>>>>>> look on their help/support pages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> does this mean you're thinking of going for it? Wi-Fi not with
>>>> standing?
>>>>>>>> my partner, fully sighted, reckons he could talk a person 
>>>>>>>> through tapping In the right places using face time. but I 
>>>>>>>> think the neato people would be better! However, lettuce know if we 
>>>>>>>> can help.
>>>>>>>> Good luck, Sandy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:51, Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Sandra.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have cheked it, it uses the 2,4 ghz standard. I am a little 
>>>>>>>>> in doubt if that can give me problems. My router supports both 
>>>>>>>>> the 2,4 and
>>>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>>>> ghz, but I am in doubt if I will need to change network to the 
>>>>>>>>> speciffic 2,4 when I need to use the vacuum cleaner? With 
>>>>>>>>> sonos I can use my normal network, but will it be the same 
>>>>>>>>> with the bootvac, I am not intirely sure?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards Annie.
>>>>>>>>>> Den 1. jul. 2016 kl. 12.49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Annie,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As things stand, at the moment, we do need sighted assistance 
>>>>>>>>>> to set up the wifi. The person doesn't need to be tech savvy, 
>>>>>>>>>> but the touch screen is not at all accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would estimate, so long as your router is using the 250  
>>>>>>>>>> and not
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> 500 channel, (Annie, I probably have put that wrong and even 
>>>>>>>>>> the numbers are only approximates, but, basically, routers 
>>>>>>>>>> run on two different levels, most, however, seem to be using 
>>>>>>>>>> the right one for the Vacuum so, worth checking this out 
>>>>>>>>>> first?) going back to my original sentence, so long as your 
>>>>>>>>>> router is right, I estimate that you should only need this 
>>>>>>>>>> sighted assistance for about 10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>> actually only takes about 1 minute, or less, to set up the 
>>>>>>>>>> wifi on
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> vac, but you then have to do some stuff on your phone. All 
>>>>>>>>>> this, we can do, no problem, but, if it goes wrong, as with 
>>>>>>>>>> me, first time (putting in the password to the wifi wrongly) 
>>>>>>>>>> or as it did with
>>>> Marie,
>>>>>>>>>> you might need to get the sighted assistant to set up the 
>>>>>>>>>> wifi again on the Bot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What we need is someone who can see well enough and has 
>>>>>>>>>> patience enough (my partner only qualifies on one front, so 
>>>>>>>>>> he's no use to me for this!) because, I think that each 
>>>>>>>>>> screen of the touch screen is both simple and prefixed. I 
>>>>>>>>>> think we could make a sort of template with dots, rather like 
>>>>>>>>>> the speed-dots screen protectors, the might make it possible 
>>>>>>>>>> for someone with no sight to set up the wifi, but this is 
>>>>>>>>>> only an idea at the moment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would it be at all possible for you to find someone for 10 
>>>>>>>>>> minutes?
>>>>>>>>>> Or, if you are fairly dexterous, using Be My Eyes, or, better 
>>>>>>>>>> still, with the customer support on a facetime call, you 
>>>>>>>>>> might (but I
>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>>>> tried it, will do so later) be able to have your finger 
>>>>>>>>>> directed to the right spot. I think, all in all, it only 
>>>>>>>>>> takes about 3/4 spots to be touched, but you cannot touch the 
>>>>>>>>>> screen, or you will mess it up, you must only touch the exact 
>>>>>>>>>> places.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh! What a long and unuseful response! In short, if you 
>>>>>>>>>> possibly can, get some help, otherwise, you may well feel 
>>>>>>>>>> extremely disappointed
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> frustrated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If someone else here, who has one of these lovely Bots, can 
>>>>>>>>>> chime in with something more positive to say, I do hope they 
>>>>>>>>>> do. I will finish with this though, once set up, the bot will 
>>>>>>>>>> hold that setting unless someone changes it. For this reason, 
>>>>>>>>>> I try not to touch the touch screen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HTH, Sandy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 10:29, Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sandra and all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am concidering buying one of these vacuum cleaners, but 
>>>>>>>>>>> can we connect it to the wifi the first time or do that 
>>>>>>>>>>> require sighted assistance? I do not have any sighted 
>>>>>>>>>>> assistance, so it would be important for me that I can connect it 
>>>>>>>>>>> myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards Annie.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Den 14. jun. 2016 kl. 15.14 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via 
>>>>>>>>>>>> VIPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> After a little panic on my part, i now find I can use the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> app a little better! i just managed to change Turbo to Eco. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just did a spot clean, when it cleans an area, either 2 
>>>>>>>>>>>> meters x 2 meters or 4 meters x 4 meters. Then it returns 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to base. I did this by just pressing a button, so very 
>>>>>>>>>>>> easy. Useful for rugs or single rooms.
>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues with my house network wifi settings are almost 
>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved, touch wood. I am discovering that the best way to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> deal with the vac is to let it do its own thing, I.E., 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "clean house" either with the app or just press a button, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> there are only two buttons, and then leaving it to finish. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> From my reading, this is true for all users, but especially 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for us, as not all notifications are sent to the
>>>> app,
>>>>>>>>>>>> some show up on the onboard screen and need to be read. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> find it a bit concerning replacing the Bot on its dock, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> visually, you can
>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> by the lights that it is in the right position, but without 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the clues, hard to tell. So a quick way to be sure would be 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to do a "spot clean" by pressing one button, when it has 
>>>>>>>>>>>> finished, it will go home and play a tune and send a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still very happy, floors cleaner than they have been for years!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Smug, Sandy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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