I would agree. At first, it was a pain and in fact I often did the whole move app to dock and swipe to the page I wanted to put it on since I had a difficult time doing it otherwise. Now however, and with practice, Ihave no issues moving apps or folders for that matter multiple pages across my phone. The one trick I've learned is if I wish to move an item from the first page to the second or third, I'll double tap and hold till I get the three chime notification and moving item notification, but do it a bit to the left of the item so when i drag it toward the edge of the screen, I can reach the point of where VO says "pause for page change" or whatever and once that process is done, drag it back more toward the middle of the screen and I'll be on the new screen. If I want to place the item on a further page, then I just drag the item back and forward again and the pause for page change notification comes up again (same goes for when I want to move an item in the other direction, but in reverse(. Much faster than putting one item on the dock swiping left or right and then pulling it out of the dock to where you want and keeping track of whether you've pressed the home button etc.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Actually, moving apps is fully and easily accessible. It is different from anything you know so requires patience and practice and possibly training to learn. I do it without difficulty. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: [email protected] Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20/09/2012, at 2:50, "goshawk on horseback" <[email protected]> wrote: > I really don't know how, as I have found it far from accessible, and > it has just about driven me screaming mad! I have had wrong apps being > moved in to folders, or right apps being moved on to another page, > resulting in the loss of an app on that page. and that's supposed to be accessible? > not in my book it ain't! > > Simon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over > > > I suspect with the larger screen, you can get more apps in a > page/folder, maybe an extra row, but I don't know about additional > pages. I've always found adding apps to folders to be accessible, > although it did take me a bit of practice. Actually, I find it easier > to add apps to a folder than I do moving apps to another page. > > On 19/09/12 09:15, goshawk on horseback wrote: >> coming in a bit late here, can the new IOS support more than 11 pages >> of apps? and is moving apps in to folders now fully accessible? >> I have been finding these 2 issues a real problem on IOS5. >> >> Simon >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:37 PM >> Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over >> >> >> Hi, you could if you want to, but there is really no need to. Also, >> keep in mind that after about a week or so that iOS 6 is released, if >> you ever have to do a restore on your iDevice, it will automagically >> install iOS 6 anyway. >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos >> If you're killed by a wild pig, does that mean you were boared to death? >> Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com >> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 >> >> On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, beverly wrote: >>> Is it possible that we can skip the IOS 6 and when the update comes >>> out just install that one? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" >>> <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:38 AM >>> Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over >>> >>> >>>> Hi Kawal, >>>> >>>> Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never >>>> knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days >>>> and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not >>>> holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a >>>> Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them >>>> well. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu >>>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over >>>> >>>> Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. >>>> On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. >>>>> The >>>> search results will have a heading something like "Iphone apps". >>>>> >>>>> HtH, >>>>> Teresa >>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on >>>>>> platform, >>>> and click the button indicating how many updates are available. >>>> Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when >>>> prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your >>>> device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. >>>>>> Sent from my mac >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and >>>>>>> never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the >>>>>>> procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel >>>>>>> a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my >>>>>>> birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ron & Danvers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of John Panarese >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative >>>>>>> and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As >>>>>>> someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, >>>>>>> so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on >>>>>>> AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>> Director >>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>> Email, [email protected] >>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind >>>>>>> >>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, "AnonyMouse" >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in >>>>>>>> the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to >>>>>>>> say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if >>>>>>>> you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. >>>>>>>> However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the >>>>>>>> Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store >>>>>>>> is the only major problems we have found. As for the other >>>>>>>> issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs >>>>>>>> but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said >>>>>>>> there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis >>>>>>>> are blowing smoke. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> AnonyMouse >>>>>>>> AppleVis Editorial Team >>>>>>>> www.AppleVis.com >>>>>>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville >>>>>>>> Zello: =AnonyMouse= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Mannion >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that >>>>>>>> they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they >>>>>>>> could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's >>>>>>>> hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that >>>>>>>> there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems >>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>> However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. >>>>>>>>> If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard >>>>>>>>> to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do >>>>>>>>> the same thing using >>>>>>>> iTunes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't >>>>>>>>> going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on >>>>>>>>> Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, >>>>>>>>> me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see >>>>>>>>> improvements until the store changes are >>>>>>>> completely rolled out. >>>>>>>>> Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable >>>>>>>>> since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version >>>>>>>>> of iOS >>>> itself. >>>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, >>>>>>>>> and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 >>>>>>>>> daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed >>>>>>>>> by VoiceOver could be more helpful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has >>>>>>>>> already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter >>>>>>>>> your password when you >>>>>>>> update. >>>>>>>>> You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while >>>>>>>>> ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App >>>>>>>>> Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, >>>>>>>>> you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When >>>>>>>>> you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives >>>>>>>>> you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. >>>>>>>>> However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be >>>>>>>>> able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the >>>>>>>>> percentage of the download and install changing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to >>>>>>>>> update. >>>> >>>>>>>>> yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an >>>>>>>>> updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it >>>>>>>>> isn't inaccessible at >>>>>>> all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Raul A. >>>>>>>>> Gallegos >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and >>>>>>>>> speculated on, I would say that if you have information which >>>>>>>>> helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the >>>>>>>>> judge of how much you >>>>>>>> can say. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before >>>> commenting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the >>>>>>>>> new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you >>>>>>>>> do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, >>>>>>>>> then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As >>>>>>>>> it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe >>>>>>>>> by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>>>>>> There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? >>>>>>>>> It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but >>>>>>>>> that's not important >>>>>>>> right now. >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com >>>>>>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Face book: >>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/rau47 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would >>>>>>>>>> like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for >>>>>>>>>> the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are >>>>>>>>>> still supposed to be under >>>>>>>>> NDA. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Mannion >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking >>>>>>>>>> functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover >>>>>>>>>> accessibility issues or reliability issues? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/12, Kliphton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, >>>>>>>>>>> especially in iMessage. There are some new features in >>>>>>>>>>> mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all >>>>>>>>>>> for now, let's wait for >>>>>>>>> Wednesday. >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. >>>>>>>>>>>> Does >>>> anybody >>>>>>>>>>>> know what improvements invoice over? 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