I am in Canada and this is certainly not possible here nor is it possible in 
the US.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of James 
English
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 7:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: AppleCare Plus Still Worth It? What's Your Experience?

Hello,

I am unsure what country you are in, and also how the system works however most 
stores in the UK can print out your receipts from a few years back with a scan 
of your credit card. The shop assistant admitted he could do this, but it 
'wasn't company policy.'

On 5/7/18, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> As a retailer myself who deals with a lot of customers and warranties 
> I completely agree with the merchant here. If you expect to have 
> something replaced or repaired under warranty and proof of purchase is 
> required then that proof should come from you and it should not be the 
> responsibility of the merchant/store to try and figure out whether you 
> bought the item. If the merchant has a computer system where they 
> track sales that is different, we have that as well and if I have a 
> customer as sometimes is the case who doesn't want to give us their 
> information so we can put them into our database then I always explain 
> to them that we primarily do this for the purpose of warranties and 
> that if we don't have a record of the sale we can't help with the warranty 
> unless the customer produces the sales receipt.
> Since we sell products with a 5-year or even lifetime warranty most 
> people of course don't have their receipt 5 years or 10 years later.
> I am not sure what you mean by doing a simple credit card check. There 
> is no easy way to look up if a customer purchased something from my 
> store using just their credit card, if they know the exact day when 
> the item was purchased I would have to dig out our copies of the 
> receipts for that day and try to find the exact amount of the 
> transaction and that of course only tells me how much they spent and 
> not what item they bought, a credit card receipt is proof that they 
> purchased something from my store, but it is not proof what it was 
> they purchased and in some cases the item in question might even be 
> something with a serial number such as an expensive pair of binoculars, a GPS 
> or rifle.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> James English
> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 12:44 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: AppleCare Plus Still Worth It? What's Your Experience?
>
> Hi Siegard,
>
> At least in the UK, I must disagree with you. Companies do not seem 
> too generous with their warrantys, quite the opposite in fact. They 
> have a tendency to refuse to perform a simple credit card check to 
> make sure you bought the item, instead expecting you to have keep the 
> receipt for it 9 months ago; once you produce that you can be expected 
> to provide proof you bought an extended warranty.
> The one exception I can find is pc world, which has pretty much 
> provided me with a lifetime of free headphones. I use my headphones 
> for work, recreation and university so they're going to die a lot 
> quicker than most pairs; so the warranty is two years. The last pair 
> of headphones I had which lasted a whole two years was probably when I 
> was a child...and when I go in to replace these headphones, the 
> warranty resets for free. I'm on my third pair.
>
> On 5/6/18, Carolyn Arnold <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I didn't explain why the ear buds instead of the flat type that come 
>> with the phone. I wear hearing aids, and I can't get those hard flat 
>> one in so that I can hear, but with the ones that do not have the 
>> hard buds, I can manage.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>> Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 12:37 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: AppleCare Plus Still Worth It? What's Your Experience?
>>
>> I buy dollar ear buds and really like them. I don't know how well 
>> anyone could hear me in the little microphone, so probably will use a 
>> headset with my iPhone. I will use the ear buds when out to make 
>> calls and things, because I do not like talking stuff out in the world.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 11:13 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: AppleCare Plus Still Worth It? What's Your Experience?
>>
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>>
>>
>> I usually find my experiences at Apple Stores are very good, but the 
>> few times I called the main Apple custpomer service line it is often 
>> the opposite. I have had good experiences there, but just as you I 
>> often found the people they have answering their phones are not very 
>> knowledgeable at all.
>>
>> By the way, I read that Apple’s cost to manufacture their phones is 
>> about 35% of what they are sold for at retail and that apparently 
>> Apple keeps their margins about the same. This would mean that a set 
>> of $30 /Earpods would cost about $10 to make, but I somehow have a 
>> feeling it is much less than that because the actual value of the 
>> components can’t be more than $4 or $5 and in the same article which 
>> was a few years old and was talking about the iPhone 5S I think said 
>> that while the components of the phone cost about $200 the actual 
>> manufacturing cost was only $8. If I consider a factory which 
>> produces headsets where probably millions of the things are pumped 
>> out constantly they just have to be cheap. The same formular applied 
>> to the Airpods would indicate the cost of a set of Airpods is about 
>> $55 for Apple with a bit over $100 in profit (of course shipping 
>> costs must be deducted from that at least for the portion of Airpods 
>> which are ordered online and where Apple offers free shipping. Let’s 
>> face it, there is a reason why Apple is the richest company in the 
>> world, I wish I could get away having a 65% profit margin.
>>
>> I also agree that Apple Care Plus is less attractive nowadays since 
>> it has become so much more expensive. It used to be $79, I think now 
>> on the iPhone X it is $199 and adding Apple Care Plus is just simply 
>> expensive nowadays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sieghard
>>
>>
>>
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf 
>> Of Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 9:57 AM
>> To: VIPhone Email List <[email protected]>
>> Subject: AppleCare Plus Still Worth It? What's Your Experience?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>>
>>
>> I've always been a major proponent of purchasing AppleCare Plus when 
>> buying a new iPhone. My reasoning is that these devices are not 
>> inexpensive and since they are constantly being carried around, the 
>> opportunity for accidents or physical wear and tear is fairly 
>> substantial. I'm starting to have second thoughts after my last two 
>> experiences filing a warranty claim under AppleCare Plus.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've posted on this list about an issue I'm having with my wired 
>> Apple earpods and thanks to comments on this list was able to confirm 
>> that the microphone on those earpods was starting to fail. I 
>> initiated over the phone an AppleCare claim to get a replacement pair 
>> of earpods earlier this morning. This was the second such claim for 
>> replacement earpods because the pair I'm having replaced now were a 
>> replacement in January, 2018. My understanding is that you qualify 
>> for two such earpod replacements under AppleCare Plus. I can't tell 
>> you how frustrating it was to get this claim filed. The initial 
>> person I spoke with had difficulty distinguishing my wired earpods 
>> from the very expensive Airpods and had to be corrected when she set 
>> up the claim incorrectly. She asked me to turn off Find my iPhone 
>> which I'm pretty sure is unnecessary when doing a warranty claim on a $30 
>> retail item.
>> She ended up putting me on hold for about 10 minutes at which point I 
>> terminated the call and started over. The next guy I spoke with was a 
>> bit better but ended up transferring me to a Senior Advisor for some 
>> reason. When the Senior Advisor came on, she started talking about my 
>> Airpods claim. By this point, I was getting pretty frustrated and 
>> again explained that this was a DIY claim for a pair of $30 wired 
>> Earpods under my AppleCare, not for wireless Airpods. She then came 
>> back and said the claim required a $30 shipping charge. I told her 
>> she was incorrect and that the item cost $30 at retail with no 
>> shipping if I purchased it new from Apple Online. She again came back 
>> an said she couldn't waive the $30 shipping charge. I must admit that 
>> I was losing my patience by this point but went on in a somewhat 
>> louder voice that the way these DIY claims had always worked in the 
>> past was that Appple would take my credit card info, send the 
>> replacement item, provide me with a return shipping label that I 
>> could use with their turnaround envelope, and then credit me back the 
>> hold on my credit card when I returned the defective item. I strongly 
>> emphasized that I wondered if paying $130 for AppleCare Plus was 
>> worth it if I had to pull teeth to file a couple of warranty claims 
>> for a $30 item that probably cost Apple no more than $18. Finally, 
>> she said she did something different and the claim was now showing 
>> correctly that a hold would be placed on my credit card and cancelled 
>> when I returned the defective item and that no shipping charge would 
>> apply. She was not able to answer me when I asked her what she had 
>> done differently. It almost sounded as if she had refreshed her screen or 
>> some such thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> After spending at least 45 minutes on the phone getting this claim 
>> filed, I thought I'd write here to find out what others have 
>> experienced with AppleCare claims. I've had great success in the past 
>> but the last two I've filed for defective wired earpods replacement 
>> have not gone well. I don't know if this is a trend with the support 
>> reps who are fielding these calls but I thought I should ask the 
>> group. I try very hard to communicate clearly to avoid confusion and 
>> I'm pretty sure the problem is with the listening on the other end as 
>> opposed to what I'm saying on my end. Are others having good 
>> experiences when talking with AppleCare folks on the phone? Is there 
>> a better way to initiate one of these claims perhaps by using the 
>> Apple Support app or online with a computer and a web browser?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for reading my rant and for any comments you can supply.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
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