Hello, Kelly and everyone. Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have. This makes good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more competitive. I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors jockey for customers. Since I do a lot of traveling away from my home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable assurance I'll get a good signal. In addition, I have never had a dispute with my carrier. I know I can get a lower priced plan from Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.
Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion. Craig On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce <[email protected]> wrote: > What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to > maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a certain > number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a partner, > the big phone companies may get secret information, such as advanced > notice of Apple discontinuing the SE. Apple needs to move this > inventory of old phones and AT&T needs to meet its quota or it will be > forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through its sales > channel easily. Apple could offer deeply discounted phones to AT&T > who then sells them only to existing customers with really old phones > at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap iPhone and the > companies are happy because Apple was able to maintain pricing power, > eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT&T can meet its sales quota this > year. > > Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live in > a really big city and the major companies all provide service here. > downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are > only served by Verizon or AT&T. You may be in a similar situation. > > Kelly > > <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> > <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"> > <tr> > <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a > href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon"; > target="_blank"><img > src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"; > alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" > /></a></td> > <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e; > font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; > line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a > href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link"; > target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com</a> > </td> > </tr> > </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" > height="1"></a></div> > > On 9/8/18, Craig Werner <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone. >> >> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the $100 >> price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you. I asked him in >> three different ways about whether there were hidden or undiscussed >> costs associated with the purchase. For instance, at one point, I >> phrased the question in words very similar to these: "Can you assure >> me that the phone is paid in full if I give you $100 and that no >> change to my monthly bill will occur as a result of this purchase?" >> He assured me this was true. When I read your understandably >> skeptical message, I phoned the manager of my provider's store and >> asked him if I could mention the name of the provider on this user >> group. I wanted to represent the provider accurately, I said, having >> been a customer for eighteen years. He said yes, and added that the >> provider, AT&T, is offering a limited time promotional offer for GO >> Phone users in the northeastern U.S. of $100 for an iPhone Se. >> >> Craig >> >> >> On 9/8/18, Carolyn Arnold <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six months >>> to >>> pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that >>> validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would >>> incur >>> if >>> I left them before payments are completed, which they will be on October >>> 21. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Carolyn >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE >>> >>> Hi Craig, >>> >>> I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say they >>> would sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could >>> discontinue >>> service with them a week later with no penelty? >>> You say there is no contract, but I somehow doubt they give you a $350 >>> phone >>> for $100 without charging you somewhere to recover the additional cost. >>> How >>> much do you pay per month? >>> You don't of course have to answer, but I have found in 25 years of >>> owining >>> cell phones that if you get a phone at a reduced price the provider will >>> charge you somewhere for that phone in addition to whatever reduced >>> price >>> you pay. >>> I am always amazed how people here get into these 2-year contracts where >>> they get a phone for less tha it's cost were they to buy it outright and >>> they think it's an OK deal. Then the 2 years pass and the contract ends >>> which means the phone is paid off yet the provider does not now suddenly >>> drop the price of their plan by $20 or whatever amount would be >>> justified. >>> Also, in the uS more of these annual upgrade plans are offered than here >>> in >>> Canada I think and again people happily pay for them and think they are >>> getting a great deal since all they pay is their monthly plan and yet >>> they >>> get to upgrade every year. Most apparently don't realize that again with >>> these plans the carriers charge to cover the costs and the plan of >>> course >>> is >>> a lot more expensive than a plan they could get were they to buy a phone >>> outright and look for a low-cost plan which doesn't include extra >>> charges >>> to >>> pay off a phone or, as in these annual upgrade plans, to essentially >>> lease >>> the phone. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >>> Craig >>> Werner >>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:01 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE >>> >>> Thanks very much to the many members who posted replies to my question. >>> I >>> never thought my post would garner such a plentiful response. >>> >>> Since I have for a long time been out of contract with my cell phone >>> provider of eighteen years, and since I wish to remain with them for the >>> time being, at least, I don't want to consider contractual phone buying >>> with >>> anyone. The price of $100 is alluring since it comes with no strings >>> attached; that is, the phone would be entirely paid for, and my monthly >>> bill >>> would be unaffected. I am very partial to the small phone chassis, and >>> since I fully understand but am immune to the blandishments of phone >>> technology features that I do not need, the offer is indeed compelling. >>> Of >>> course, if I buy the phone and then the price drops after Sept. 12, or >>> if >>> Apple should come out with an advanced four-inch phone (which I doubt), >>> I >>> will kick my self. >>> However, I have done self-kicking before, and the pain wears off pretty >>> quickly. <grin> >>> >>> The bottom line: I'm most grateful to everyone for their opinions, and >>> I'll >>> be curious to see what happens on Sept. 12. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> On 9/5/18, Cristobal Muñoz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I like my SE, but right now is probably the worst time of the year to >>>> either buy an older phone or commit to any sort of contract payment >>>> structure for one. By next week, you'll probably be able to score a >>>> better deal for the phone you want. Be it a newer one or older one >>>> since everyone and their momma who's interested in upgrading will be >>>> itching to get rid of their older devices or businesses trying to clear >>>> out old stock. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >>>> Mike Arrigo >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:05 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE >>>> >>>> I have both an SE and an iphone 8, there are times when I prefer to >>>> carry a smaller phone, there's really not much of a speed difference, >>>> it's definitely faster than the iphone 5 you are upgrading from, you >>>> will notice a big improvement, if you like that phone size, go for it, >>>> it's a great phone. >>>> Original message: >>>>> I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a >>>>> 4S and all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I >>>>> enjoy using. >>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>>> Carolyn >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Craig Werner >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:13 AM >>>>> To: viphone <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE >>>> >>>>> Hello, everyone. >>>> >>>>> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my >>>>> carrier is offering the latter for $100. I don't want a phone with >>>>> lots of bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, >>>>> which the iPhone does not allow. Are there compelling reasons why I >>>>> should not upgrade to the SE? 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