Craig,
My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it
has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have
to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.
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On 9/12/18, Craig Werner <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello, Kelly and everyone.
>
> Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have. This makes
> good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more
> competitive. I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors
> jockey for customers. Since I do a lot of traveling away from my
> home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable
> assurance I'll get a good signal. In addition, I have never had a
> dispute with my carrier. I know I can get a lower priced plan from
> Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.
>
> Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.
>
> Craig
>
> On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
>> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a certain
>> number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a partner,
>> the big phone companies may get secret information, such as advanced
>> notice of Apple discontinuing the SE. Apple needs to move this
>> inventory of old phones and AT&T needs to meet its quota or it will be
>> forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through its sales
>> channel easily. Apple could offer deeply discounted phones to AT&T
>> who then sells them only to existing customers with really old phones
>> at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap iPhone and the
>> companies are happy because Apple was able to maintain pricing power,
>> eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT&T can meet its sales quota this
>> year.
>>
>> Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live in
>> a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
>> downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are
>> only served by Verizon or AT&T. You may be in a similar situation.
>>
>> Kelly
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>> On 9/8/18, Craig Werner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.
>>>
>>> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the $100
>>> price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you. I asked him in
>>> three different ways about whether there were hidden or undiscussed
>>> costs associated with the purchase. For instance, at one point, I
>>> phrased the question in words very similar to these: "Can you assure
>>> me that the phone is paid in full if I give you $100 and that no
>>> change to my monthly bill will occur as a result of this purchase?"
>>> He assured me this was true. When I read your understandably
>>> skeptical message, I phoned the manager of my provider's store and
>>> asked him if I could mention the name of the provider on this user
>>> group. I wanted to represent the provider accurately, I said, having
>>> been a customer for eighteen years. He said yes, and added that the
>>> provider, AT&T, is offering a limited time promotional offer for GO
>>> Phone users in the northeastern U.S. of $100 for an iPhone Se.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/8/18, Carolyn Arnold <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six
>>>> months
>>>> to
>>>> pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that
>>>> validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would
>>>> incur
>>>> if
>>>> I left them before payments are completed, which they will be on
>>>> October
>>>> 21.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Carolyn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>>>
>>>> Hi Craig,
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say
>>>> they
>>>> would sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could
>>>> discontinue
>>>> service with them a week later with no penelty?
>>>> You say there is no contract, but I somehow doubt they give you a $350
>>>> phone
>>>> for $100 without charging you somewhere to recover the additional cost.
>>>> How
>>>> much do you pay per month?
>>>> You don't of course have to answer, but I have found in 25 years of
>>>> owining
>>>> cell phones that if you get a phone at a reduced price the provider
>>>> will
>>>> charge you somewhere for that phone in addition to whatever reduced
>>>> price
>>>> you pay.
>>>> I am always amazed how people here get into these 2-year contracts
>>>> where
>>>> they get a phone for less tha it's cost were they to buy it outright
>>>> and
>>>> they think it's an OK deal. Then the 2 years pass and the contract ends
>>>> which means the phone is paid off yet the provider does not now
>>>> suddenly
>>>> drop the price of their plan by $20 or whatever amount would be
>>>> justified.
>>>> Also, in the uS more of these annual upgrade plans are offered than
>>>> here
>>>> in
>>>> Canada I think and again people happily pay for them and think they are
>>>> getting a great deal since all they pay is their monthly plan and yet
>>>> they
>>>> get to upgrade every year. Most apparently don't realize that again
>>>> with
>>>> these plans the carriers charge to cover the costs and the plan of
>>>> course
>>>> is
>>>> a lot more expensive than a plan they could get were they to buy a
>>>> phone
>>>> outright and look for a low-cost plan which doesn't include extra
>>>> charges
>>>> to
>>>> pay off a phone or, as in these annual upgrade plans, to essentially
>>>> lease
>>>> the phone.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sieghard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
>>>> Craig
>>>> Werner
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:01 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much to the many members who posted replies to my question.
>>>> I
>>>> never thought my post would garner such a plentiful response.
>>>>
>>>> Since I have for a long time been out of contract with my cell phone
>>>> provider of eighteen years, and since I wish to remain with them for
>>>> the
>>>> time being, at least, I don't want to consider contractual phone buying
>>>> with
>>>> anyone. The price of $100 is alluring since it comes with no strings
>>>> attached; that is, the phone would be entirely paid for, and my monthly
>>>> bill
>>>> would be unaffected. I am very partial to the small phone chassis, and
>>>> since I fully understand but am immune to the blandishments of phone
>>>> technology features that I do not need, the offer is indeed compelling.
>>>> Of
>>>> course, if I buy the phone and then the price drops after Sept. 12, or
>>>> if
>>>> Apple should come out with an advanced four-inch phone (which I doubt),
>>>> I
>>>> will kick my self.
>>>> However, I have done self-kicking before, and the pain wears off pretty
>>>> quickly. <grin>
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line: I'm most grateful to everyone for their opinions, and
>>>> I'll
>>>> be curious to see what happens on Sept. 12.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> On 9/5/18, Cristobal Muñoz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> I like my SE, but right now is probably the worst time of the year to
>>>>> either buy an older phone or commit to any sort of contract payment
>>>>> structure for one. By next week, you'll probably be able to score a
>>>>> better deal for the phone you want. Be it a newer one or older one
>>>>> since everyone and their momma who's interested in upgrading will be
>>>>> itching to get rid of their older devices or businesses trying to
>>>>> clear
>>>>> out old stock.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
>>>>> Mike Arrigo
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:05 PM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>>>>
>>>>> I have both an SE and an iphone 8, there are times when I prefer to
>>>>> carry a smaller phone, there's really not much of a speed difference,
>>>>> it's definitely faster than the iphone 5 you are upgrading from, you
>>>>> will notice a big improvement, if you like that phone size, go for it,
>>>>> it's a great phone.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a
>>>>>> 4S and all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I
>>>>>> enjoy using.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carolyn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Craig Werner
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:13 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my
>>>>>> carrier is offering the latter for $100. I don't want a phone with
>>>>>> lots of bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X,
>>>>>> which the iPhone does not allow. Are there compelling reasons why I
>>>>>> should not upgrade to the SE? Thanks for any advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig
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