Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned.

Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.

So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over.

There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.

Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone.

So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do things before iOS with Voice over.


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Gordan Radić

25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when 
the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in 
itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some honorable 
mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:

1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help:  
BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm not 
sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a brief 
message.
3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
4.  Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or paratransit:  
BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.

Honorable mentions:  1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites like 
Chewy at my leisure.
2.  Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right where 
I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
3.  Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
4.  Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the 
driver directly whether than a dispatcher,  and they are often cheaper.
God bless!

I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon
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M. Taylor
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Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hello Everyone,

What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or 
any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence.

As for me:.

1.
The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as 
Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.

2.
The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing 
Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.

3.
The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the 
fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera 
app, Seeing A.I., etc.

4.
The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such 
as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news 
reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.

5.
The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, 
Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.

Honorable Memtions:
1.
TV Guide Mobile.

2.
CA Lottery app.

3.
The Parcel Track package tracking app.

4.
Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.

5.
The My Chart medical App.

I look forward to all of your replies,

Mark


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