There are all types of people out there. People who are ignorant. I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know about it. They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. God bless Anthony
Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an > important skill dead? > > Devin Prater > Assistive Technology Instructor > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Anthony Vece <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their > Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > Hi Devon; > I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using > braille for today. > I never want to see braille as a loss start. > Keep it up. > God bless > Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > > > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was > > in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that > > the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, > > and buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a > > weekend at my Aunt's house. > > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, > > because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with > > Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls > > "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got > > the iPhone 7. > > > > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. > > You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* > > in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play > > store. No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users > > don't need braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their > > phone with accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I > > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not > > even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set > > up correctly, or have its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI > > group not set up with the one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, > > Linux is made of so many small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all > > of them working nicely together. > > > > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not > > perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and > > sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the > > most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep > > improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still > > fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple > > to show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in > > particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if > > the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and > > articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not > > working anymore, should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user > > doesn't get unreliable information. Yes, both of these have been suggested > > to Apple by me. > > > > So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and > > reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but > > can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy > > to break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in > > malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, > > and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you > > plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not > > already on, and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for > > some reason, it doesn't show formatting! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more > >> independent and knowledgeable about what they do. I use my phone with the > >> screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to > >> people like everyone else. I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a > >> godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same > >> time. I have broadened my music repertoire with the Apple music service > >> and like the idea that news items are at our disposal the same time other > >> people receive them. Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use > >> GPS. > >> > >> > >> Mary Jo Partyka > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >>> On May 25, 2019, at 8:28 PM, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello Gordon, > >>> > >>> While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to > >>> discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief > >>> rebuttal to your comments. > >>> > >>> First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired > >>> did not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac > >>> OS, etc. > >>> > >>> Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands > >>> of years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a > >>> handheld lighter did not increase personal independence. > >>> > >>> Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was > >>> tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology. > >>> > >>> Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old > >>> legacy technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless > >>> as my question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to > >>> compare Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise. > >>> > >>> Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because > >>> I want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, > >>> in anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am not posting this in > >>> order to engage in a debate. > >>> > >>> I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its > >>> intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have > >>> increased your personal independence. > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >>> Behalf Of Gordan Radic > >>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their > >>> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > >>> > >>> Hi to all! > >>> > >>> I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt > >>> and I can't agree with most mentioned. > >>> > >>> Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a > >>> tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones > >>> and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. > >>> > >>> So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, > >>> messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web > >>> browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS with > >>> voice over. > >>> > >>> There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There > >>> were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't > >>> accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's > >>> the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. > >>> > >>> Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know > >>> when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal > >>> and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned > >>> in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even > >>> more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use > >>> my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone. > >>> > >>> So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they > >>> really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to > >>> the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops > >>> or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we > >>> were able to do things before iOS with Voice over. > >>> > >>> > >>> S poštovanjem > >>> > >>> Gordan Radić > >>> > >>> 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: > >>>> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was > >>>> when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years > >>>> so that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even > >>>> with some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular > >>>> order: > >>>> > >>>> 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted > >>>> help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. > >>>> 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when > >>>> I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to > >>>> leave a brief message. > >>>> 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. > >>>> 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or > >>>> paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. > >>>> 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. > >>>> > >>>> Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites > >>>> like Chewy at my leisure. > >>>> 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right > >>>> where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. > >>>> 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. > >>>> 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact > >>>> the driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often > >>>> cheaper. > >>>> God bless! > >>>> > >>>> I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >>>> Behalf Of M. Taylor > >>>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their > >>>> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > >>>> > >>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>> > >>>> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS > >>>> and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal > >>>> independence. > >>>> > >>>> As for me:. > >>>> > >>>> 1. > >>>> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps > >>>> such as Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. > >>>> > >>>> 2. > >>>> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like > >>>> Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. > >>>> > >>>> 3. > >>>> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, > >>>> on the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native > >>>> iOS camera app, Seeing A.I., etc. > >>>> > >>>> 4. > >>>> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps > >>>> such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text > >>>> RSS news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. > >>>> > >>>> 5. > >>>> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD > >>>> Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. > >>>> > >>>> Honorable Memtions: > >>>> 1. > >>>> TV Guide Mobile. > >>>> > >>>> 2. > >>>> CA Lottery app. > >>>> > >>>> 3. > >>>> The Parcel Track package tracking app. > >>>> > >>>> 4. > >>>> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. > >>>> > >>>> 5. > >>>> The My Chart medical App. > >>>> > >>>> I look forward to all of your replies, > >>>> > >>>> Mark > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > >>>> list. > >>>> > >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >>>> > >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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