OK, I'll do that.

Take care,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tali 
Sarnetzky
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 8:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: the right hear app

I think you are right, Sieghard.
You can contact any of them through the website and they will gladly help.

Cheers,
Tali

On 7/2/19, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think for really accurate navigating the beacons are the way to go. 
> Dan I think mentioned maybe marking where he dropped his tool bag and 
> to find it this way. But consider this, even if you have 5 meter 
> accuracy which is 16 feet, that still gives you a circle of 10 meters 
> or 32 feet, such a circle has an area of just over 800 square feet or 
> 78 square meters which is still a pretty large area.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Tali Sarnetzky
> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 8:12 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: the right hear app
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> I presented your questions to my friends at Right Hear.
> As Siegert said, the recording and labelling of places works when you 
> get a GPS accuracy of under eight meters, which means it works best 
> outside, in the Outdoors mode of the app. This can be useful when you 
> learn a new route and need to label certain spots. You can record any 
> text you wish, such as info about intersections you need to cross, the 
> locations of bus stops, etc.
>
> At the moment, the app works with a specific type of beacon, so it is 
> best to purchase such beacons through the company. My friend told me a 
> few beterans in the States have already done this to lable spots in 
> their own house or workplace. There is a plan to offer support for 
> more kinds of beacons in the near future, so it is just a matter of time.
> When you purchase beacons, you work through a website to enter the 
> info you want and they are working all the time to make sure this part 
> of the website is accessible as well.
>
> In a couple of weeks, they are going to have a few webinars of 
> questions and answers. I will post the dates and links as soon as I 
> can. And as I have said before, they love hearing suggestions and 
> getting feedback. From day one they have had the user's experience in 
> first priority and that's why I love working with them.
>
> Cheers,
> Tali
>
>
>
> On 7/1/19, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Sandy,
>>
>> At first when I recorded a label I thought it didn’t record anything 
>> but then I realized that when I tapped on my recording that it did 
>> speak my recorded word, but in a very low volume
>>
>> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 10:13 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: the right hear app
>>
>> does anyone know what this means?
>>
>> what is the focus with voice-over thing about?
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>>
>> On 1 Jul 2019, at 17:07, Sieghard Weitzel 
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> I just downloaded this app and it looks very interesting, clean and 
>> simple.
>> The record button is right there (no pun intended) on the main screen.
>> All you have to do is to double tap on it to record a location. Keep 
>> in mind that this only works if your GPS accuracy is at least 8 
>> metres or better, but it will tell you if it is not.
>> You can later on double tap and hold the recordings button if you 
>> want to see a list of your recordings/locations.
>> Looks like this app uses information from Open Street maps which 
>> unfortunately often can be quite outdated. For example, it shows the 
>> “Hill Top Pub” which is supposed to be about 400 metres away except 
>> that this pub has been closed for about 3 years.
>> Considering this is a free app which allows for turn by turn 
>> navigation to an address or location as well as providing nearby 
>> information and so on this is a nice app to have for people who don’t 
>> want to pay for Seeing Eye or Nearby Explorer.
>>
>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf 
>> Of Andrew J. LaPointe
>> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 7:56 AM
>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: the right hear app
>>
>>     The instructions says that you can record something via the 
>> menu....How do you get to the area to record an item or area that you 
>> want to use at a later time?
>>
>> From: Dan<mailto:[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 10:13 AM
>> To: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone<mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: the right hear app
>>
>>
>> I can see  use for the beacons in an unfamiliar very large environment.
>> However, if it is a commonly visited place and you have the time and 
>> help you could just go to places within the site and record a label 
>> and then the app would recognize it from then on when you visit again.
>> When I tried it it actually got me within a few feet if I missed it.
>> I am considering using it for when I am working in the yard.  I can 
>> drop a tool or bag of tools or whatever.  I can then record the label 
>> for that location and if I need to get back to that bag of tools I 
>> can rotate the phone until I hear "bag of tools" or whatever I 
>> labeled it and then walk to it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since I have taken to using my cane in the yard to avoid the toys and 
>> other debris my grandchildren move around getting within a few feet 
>> should allow me to find the item with my cane.
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting app indeed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan Beaver
>> On 7/1/2019 9:17 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>>
>> hi Tali,
>>
>>
>>
>>     Thanks for jumping in here. It seems to me that there are, at 
>> least, 2 possible use options for RightHear. 1. in large public 
>> spaces, airports, railway stations, hospitals, hotels etc. 2. 
>> Domestic use, as expressed here, labelling the post box, a particular 
>> tree as a landmark, gates etc. Could you comment on how this latter 
>> option might be acquired by some of us? I, for example, live on an 
>> acre of land, in rural ireland, and would love to be able to label 
>> and find different landmarks outside of my house, would this be 
>> possible?i might also want to take these same labels with me on 
>> holiday and use them there, with new info recorded on them, would 
>> this be something I could easily do? Also, what kind of range will they 
>> cover and are they weatherproof?
>>
>>
>>
>>     Sorry if this puts pressure on you, but i am very interested in 
>> the answers!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sandy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Jul 2019, at 12:56, Tali Sarnetzky 
>> mailto:[email protected]
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have the pleasure of working with these developers on the Right 
>> Hear
>>
>> app and, as said before, it works with beacons within buildings to
>>
>> provide information. It also shows a list of places that have this
>>
>> accessibility feature in them, allows you to get directions to the
>>
>> place or use an Uber-like service to get to an accessible venue, and
>>
>> call someone for help if you are lost within the venue.
>>
>> They work ceaselessly on making it a better app and always welcome
>>
>> suggestions and feedback from users. They also hope to venture out of
>>
>> Israel and offer accessible venues in other countries. (This is
>>
>> getting implemented as we speak.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tali
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/1/19, Richard Turner mailto:[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Sandy,
>>
>> Thanks for the explanation and the belief that I'm not often 
>> confused,
>>
>> grin.
>>
>> Sieghard had found information on their web site, which I didn't 
>> think to go
>>
>> investigate. I kind of assumed that it would have been in the app 
>> store
>>
>> description.
>>
>> But, yes, bluetooth beacons have been around for several years now.
>>
>> I just wish all the different approaches would come together into one
>>
>> standard.
>>
>> Blind Square was one of the earlier apps that I recall having worked 
>> out
>>
>> navigating this way for indoor navigation, though there were others 
>> before
>>
>> them.
>>
>> Now the American Printing House for the Blind is working on them and 
>> these
>>
>> Right Hear folks, etc.
>>
>> I know mainly that the United States is way behind other countries in
>>
>> adopting this kind of technology.
>>
>> However, some airports have begun using them.
>>
>> I had read about San Francisco having 500 beacons in one of their 
>> terminals
>>
>> so that a person who is visually impaired with the right app, (no 
>> memory of
>>
>> which app) could even find an outlet to recharge their devices.
>>
>> I think this would be perfect for places like museums, etc. I know 
>> some
>>
>> malls have them, and maybe one day they will be more wide spread.
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Check out my web site at:
>>
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>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject 
>> of
>>
>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The 
>> knack
>>
>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>> --Douglas
>>
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
>> don't
>>
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 3:24 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe
>>
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>mailto:alapoi
>> n
>> [email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    Hi all, this Righthear App, how far can you be to locate an 
>> object??  I
>>
>> just came home from the deep woods of New Hampshire and this may have 
>> been a
>>
>> good tool for me to have.  How would this differ from a wireless door 
>> bell
>>
>> system? Andy and Shubert
>>
>>
>>
>> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhonemailto:[email protected]
>>
>> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 4:55 AM
>>
>> To:
>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>mailto:vipho
>> n
>> [email protected]
>>
>> Subject: Re: the right hear app
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, (the  often  confused? Close brackets never!
>>
>> I understand that the labels are real and not virtual. if I remember
>>
>> correctly, as I was researching this about a year ago, but  got 
>> distracted
>>
>> by other technologies along the way,  The initial idea was to 
>> implement
>>
>> these tags by way of consenting businesses/services et cetera, to 
>> make
>>
>> public spaces more navigable. I asked them if I, as an individual, 
>> could
>>
>> obtain beacons and implement them for myself. they thought this would 
>> be
>>
>> possible, but then I moved onto other things and forgot about it. by 
>> the
>>
>> way, my current and most favourite toy is the Sunu band. this works 
>> with
>>
>> Sonar  rather than Bluetooth. but back to RightHear, they are very
>>
>> approachable, and  seek  to get new partners to work with, in 
>> different
>>
>> countries. I will take  a trawl  through my zillions of old emails, 
>> never
>>
>> deleted, and see if I can find some of my old correspondence. but the 
>> main
>>
>> thing is this, in theory at least, this solution is much more 
>> accurate and
>>
>> is  much more suitable for micro navigation, such as that which was 
>> raised
>>
>> in the original email, to find trees, postboxes, gates et cetera, 
>> Than GPS.
>>
>> We do seem to be in a particular point in time when many potential 
>> solutions
>>
>> abound, but none are quite perfected. Potential is exciting, but 
>> actuality
>>
>> is much more  satisfying!
>>
>> Sandy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Jul 2019, at 00:28, Richard Turner
>>
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>mailt
>> o
>> :[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Sandy will chime in on this. I also downloaded it and there are 
>> no
>>
>> physical tags, so maybe I misunderstood her and the label was a 
>> virtual one,
>>
>> and not a physical one.
>>
>> Richard, the often confused
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject 
>> of
>>
>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The 
>> knack
>>
>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>> --Douglas
>>
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
>> don't
>>
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Dan
>>
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>mailto:dbeaver888@g
>> m
>> ail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I downloaded and installed this app and tried it out.  It doesn't 
>> seem to
>>
>> allow stationary labels that the app will track.  What it does is 
>> allow one
>>
>> to record a voice and text label for a given GPS location.  After 
>> doing that
>>
>> it includes that location in its list of near by locations.  Using 
>> these
>>
>> recorded locations I think it would get a person to within a few feet 
>> of the
>>
>> spot from what I can tell after trying it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It also looks like you have to be at a given location in order to 
>> record a
>>
>> label for that location.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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