One extremely odd bug that still remains is Voiceover's pronunciation of the em dash as "to the power of", which seems impossible to change.
> On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Albert Ruel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the > bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I > bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR. I'm pleased to report that after > turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've > found that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn > in order to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency. I see that the > Native Email app does require me to do some things differently than it did > before, however it's not the first time a major update caused me to have to > operate differently. I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to > the top of the screen after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the > screen about one third of the way down and my focus is right back where it > was. Although I might not have asked for some of these changes, most are > just fine to use, and many do actually add beneficial functionality. > > I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and > hope that Apple will bring that back for folks. > > BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about > iOS 13. Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work > with and what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use > many of the new/changed app functionality. You've helped make the transition > a breeze. > > Thx, Albert > > *** > > Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? > > Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. > First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever > was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. > Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor > annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up > to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille > and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with > Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again > work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and > it's snappy and responsive. > The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor > impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates > that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing > down. > Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial > bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is > how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I > read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage > and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, > but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too > prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, > Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in > its continued development and improvement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of kelby > carlson > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? > > iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I > had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically > worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I > don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take > forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major > concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so > there are better choices eventually. > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, I agree. >> >> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I >> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t >> matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats >> until I can flick away from it. >> >> The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a >> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go >> back to Alex. >> >> And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about >> this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it >> is definitely buggy still. >> >> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have >> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of >>> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently >>> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. >>> Best, Keith >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> [email protected]. 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