Kelby, The message below yours is from Sieghard about Apple and Steve Jobs, ... so I am not sure which bug you are referring to. If you are talking about the pronunciation thing with the word gun, that is a VoiceOver issue as I'm using Tom Enhanced and it spells out the word gun, but if I use a British voice, it reads the word correctly. This is new as far as I can tell.
Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:44 AM, kelby carlson <[email protected]> wrote: Looks like focus in emails is still something of a problem. Richard, It looks like this bug may actually only occur in VoiceDream with an iOS voice—very strange, and I'll have to email the developer. On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: Let's not forget that Steve Jobs passed away on October 5, 2011 and that he was quite sick for some time. I can't remember if he was still briefly in the September keynote that year or not, but just as a reference iOS 5 was released 6 days after he passed away and while he was instrumental in the release of the iPhone in 2007 and probably controlled many aspects of hardware and software development for the 3 years or so afterwards before he got too sick, Voiceover did not show up until 2009 so at best he was part of iOS development for 1 or at most 2 versions afterwards. Back then there were a lot less devices and even though they are Apple's devices, they still need to be supported. There were a lot less apps and I would probably not be wrong in saying that many apps were maybe less complicated, nowadays the sheer processing power of the iPhone allows for a lot more possibilities. I don't want to totally give Apple the get out of jail free card here and those who know me also know that I have criticized Apple on many occasions, but I was simply making a case for the fact that Apple in my opinion is certainly not abandoning accessibility. For me one of the worst bugs in iOS 13 is that dictation is extremely compromised if you are bi-lingual and maybe it's even worse if you are multi-lingual. I speak German and English fluently and have both keyboards installed. Dictation in German for the most part seems fine although I don't use it as often, but when my keyboard is set to English it's absolutely horrible because often SIRI will try to interpret what I dictate in English as German and the result is pure gibberish. Sometimes I dictate a shorter part of a sentence and it's perfect, then I continue and I speak a bit longer and SIRI inserts what I say half in English and half in what it thinks I said is German. Like I said, it's horrible and one of these days I will have to turn off Voiceover and ask a sighted person to start dictation for me to see if this is only happening when Voiceover is running. I somehow can't see why it would, but if it isn't and all sighted users also have this experience I am surprised it wasn't fixed yet and if it is Voiceover related then I have to start bugging Apple Accessibility about it. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ryan Mann Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? I agree. I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on accessibility in their development frameworks. SwiftUI, Apple’s latest framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make a lot of apps accessible without much work. I would say if anything, Apple is focused on accessibility more than ever before. I will say that when Steve Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS upgrades were first released. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and it's snappy and responsive. The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down. Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in its continued development and improvement. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I agree. First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I can flick away from it. The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go back to Alex. And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is definitely buggy still. Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone <[email protected]> wrote: hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. 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