I agree. I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on accessibility in their development frameworks. SwiftUI, Apple’s latest framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make a lot of apps accessible without much work. I would say if anything, Apple is focused on accessibility more than ever before. I will say that when Steve Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS upgrades were first released.
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. > First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever > was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. > Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor > annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up > to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille > and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with > Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again > work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and > it's snappy and responsive. > The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor > impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates > that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing > down. > Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial > bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is > how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I > read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage > and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, > but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too > prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, > Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in > its continued development and improvement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of kelby > carlson > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? > > iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I > had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically > worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I > don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take > forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major > concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so > there are better choices eventually. > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, I agree. >> >> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I >> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t >> matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats >> until I can flick away from it. >> >> The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a >> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go >> back to Alex. >> >> And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about >> this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it >> is definitely buggy still. >> >> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. 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