Looks like focus in emails is still something of a problem. Richard,
It looks like this bug may actually only occur in VoiceDream with an iOS voice—very strange, and I'll have to email the developer. > On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Let's not forget that Steve Jobs passed away on October 5, 2011 and that he > was quite sick for some time. I can't remember if he was still briefly in the > September keynote that year or not, but just as a reference iOS 5 was > released 6 days after he passed away and while he was instrumental in the > release of the iPhone in 2007 and probably controlled many aspects of > hardware and software development for the 3 years or so afterwards before he > got too sick, Voiceover did not show up until 2009 so at best he was part of > iOS development for 1 or at most 2 versions afterwards. Back then there were > a lot less devices and even though they are Apple's devices, they still need > to be supported. There were a lot less apps and I would probably not be wrong > in saying that many apps were maybe less complicated, nowadays the sheer > processing power of the iPhone allows for a lot more possibilities. I don't > want to totally give Apple the get out of jail free card here and those who > know me also know that I have criticized Apple on many occasions, but I was > simply making a case for the fact that Apple in my opinion is certainly not > abandoning accessibility. > For me one of the worst bugs in iOS 13 is that dictation is extremely > compromised if you are bi-lingual and maybe it's even worse if you are > multi-lingual. I speak German and English fluently and have both keyboards > installed. Dictation in German for the most part seems fine although I don't > use it as often, but when my keyboard is set to English it's absolutely > horrible because often SIRI will try to interpret what I dictate in English > as German and the result is pure gibberish. Sometimes I dictate a shorter > part of a sentence and it's perfect, then I continue and I speak a bit longer > and SIRI inserts what I say half in English and half in what it thinks I said > is German. Like I said, it's horrible and one of these days I will have to > turn off Voiceover and ask a sighted person to start dictation for me to see > if this is only happening when Voiceover is running. I somehow can't see why > it would, but if it isn't and all sighted users also have this experience I > am surprised it wasn't fixed yet and if it is Voiceover related then I have > to start bugging Apple Accessibility about it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Ryan > Mann > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:09 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? > > I agree. I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on > accessibility in their development frameworks. SwiftUI, Apple’s latest > framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to > make a lot of apps accessible without much work. I would say if anything, > Apple is focused on accessibility more than ever before. I will say that > when Steve Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs > when IOS upgrades were first released. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >> >> Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. >> First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever >> was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. >> Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor >> annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes >> up to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around >> braille and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The >> problem with Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party >> keyboards again work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery >> usage is good and it's snappy and responsive. >> The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor >> impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me >> indicates that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even >> slowing down. >> Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial >> bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is >> how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I >> read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage >> and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, >> but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too >> prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, >> Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in >> its continued development and improvement. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of kelby >> carlson >> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? >> >> iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I >> had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically >> worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I >> don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take >> forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major >> concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so >> there are better choices eventually. >> >>>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White <lynnwhite...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, I agree. >>> >>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I >>> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t >>> matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats >>> until I can flick away from it. >>> >>> The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a >>> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go >>> back to Alex. >>> >>> And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about >>> this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it >>> is definitely buggy still. >>> >>> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you >>> have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >>>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots >>>> of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much >>>> recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well >>>> covered. >>>> Best, Keith >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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