Hi, I think they do try hard to test for this but as with all things it is not an exact science and some do slip through. The other thing is a lot of time, they can become afraid later in life. -Steve
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert I was under the impression guide dog schools tested dogs for this, I have had 3 dogs and none of them had any fear whatsoever of thunderstorms, fireworks or gunshots. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 8:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert The conbination of the thunder shirt and a crate vastly improved my GSd seeing eye dog during thunderstorms and fireworks. Caitlyn > On Jun 21, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Steve Sweeney <n4o...@gmail.com> wrote: > > O' just one more! I used a thunder Shirt with my first Seeing Eye dog all > the time. They have been around for almost 15 years. They work for some > dogs and not for others as much. > -Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Jennie Facer > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 10:44 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: > Lightning alert > > I won’t try to keep this thread going, but thanks so much to Richard. I will > go way beyond to defend these wonderful creatures! I wasn’t trying to start a > flame fight or anuything like that. Thanks for clearing it all up. > > Jenn > > Jenn and Kumi > >> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> >> wrote: >> >> How to Calm a Dog During Thunderstorms Beverly Ulbrich, MBA Dog >> Behaviorist & Trainer March 25, 2020 >> >> Many dogs are terrified of thunderstorms. The loud noises, static >> electricity, and barometric pressure changes cause fear, anxiety, and >> panic. In this state, dogs can injure themselves and damage property. >> Learn how to manage your dog's fear during this frightening storm, >> and improve its response to the >> >> Part 1 >> Calming Your Dog >> Call your dog as the storm begins. Don't wait until the storm is fully >> underway to find your dog. Call your dog to your side as soon as you hear >> thunder. >> >> Remain calm. Your dog can sense anxiety. If you are upset, your dog will >> know, and this will only make matters worse. >> During a storm, give your dog no indications that something is wrong. Follow >> the same routine you would any other night. Smile and speak in a calm, >> reassuring tone. >> • Even reassuring the dog can convince it that something is wrong. Help your >> dog by being calm and happy, not by overloading it with sympathy. >> • Soft singing can help calm some dogs. >> >> Find a safe place. Find a small "safe spot" for the dog to hide. Ideally, >> this spot will block light and noise, while allowing the dog to be near its >> owner. >> Here are a few options: >> • Under a table or bed >> • In a dog crate, with a blanket draped over it • In a closet or >> windowless bathroom >> >> Swaddle your dog. Try wrapping a garment around your dog or let the dog >> huddle under your arm on the sofa. Your dog may feel reassured by the added >> pressure, much like a baby feels safe when swaddled. If this seems to help, >> consider buying a special anti-anxiety garment, such as the Thundershirt or >> Anxiety Wrap. The garment should be snug around the dog's chest, but make >> sure you get one in the correct size for the best result, to ensure the >> acupressure points throughout the body are being targeted, and to avoid >> injuring your dog. >> • Some of these garments (Anxiety Wrap) press against acupressure points >> associated with stress relief. >> • If you're in hot weather conditions and are concerned about your dog >> overheating, some garments (Anxiety Wrap) can be moistened with water. The >> air flowing through the moistened fabric will act as a cooling agent. Always >> supervise your dog if you're concerned about health/safety. >> • Some of these garments are also appropriate to put on your dog and >> help him/her stay calm if you need to leave the house. Consult the product >> directions for safety information. >> >> Block the noise. A loud television, music, or other source of noise (washing >> machine) can help drown out the thunder. >> Choose a sound your dog finds familiar and comforting. >> • Covering the dog's ears can also help. >> >> Avoid windows and the outdoors. If possible, keep your dog away from >> windows, or put up heavy curtains. Seeing the flash of lightning can be an >> additional source of anxiety. Block the dog's access to exits, since some >> scared dogs may try to run away or harm visitors. >> >> Play games. >> Encourage your dog to participate in indoor activities. You could >> play fetch or put on music and dance together. Try to find an activity that >> will turn your dog's attention away from the storm. >> >> Consider home remedies. These include herbal and homeopathic remedies to >> treat anxiety. Always use remedies specifically intended for dogs. Some >> essential oils that work for humans may cause discomfort or injury in >> animals. Less concentrated doses are usually required as well. >> • Be sure to consult your veterinarian before using, the oils are >> very concentrated and can be harmful to your skin as well as your dog's. >> They can also damage furniture. >> • Lavender is one popular option that seems to help dogs, when used in the >> correct dose. >> • Another option is petting your dog with a dryer sheet- it reduces static. >> >> Talk to your vet about medication. If these methods are ineffective, ask >> your vet about anti-anxiety medications. >> Your dog can take some medications such as amitriptyline for the duration of >> the storm season. There are also quick-acting medications such as >> acepromazine ("Ace") or diazepam that can be taken for individual storms. >> >> • To be effective, quick-acting medications must be administered before your >> dog exhibits any behavioral changes. >> • Never give a dog medication without consulting a veterinarian first. >> >> Part 2 >> Preventing Your Dog's Fear >> Desensitize your dog. >> To teach your dog that storms are nothing to fear, play a recording >> of a thunderstorm on very low volume for several hours, once a week. >> Each week, if the dog shows no signs of agitation, turn up the volume >> slightly. It can take a long time for your dog to adapt, but eventually your >> dog may learn not to fear thunder. >> • If this agitates your dog too much, start with 5–10 minute daily sessions >> instead. >> >> Expert Trick: While you play thunder sounds for your dog, give them a >> bone to chew on or toy to play with. Furthermore, you can give your >> dog treats and give commands to keep their focus on you and make the >> experience a happy occasion. This will help make thunderstorms seem like a >> normal experience and keep them from getting scared during a real one. >> >> Encourage calm behavior. >> Give your dog a treat or a toy when it shows calm behavior during a storm, >> or when it obeys a command despite its fear. Train it to respond to a >> "relax," >> "calm," or "settle" command. >> • Training your dog with an indoor leash is also highly effective. >> For example, treat your house like an indoor obstacle course and lead your >> dog around asking him/her to perform certain commands. If at any time this >> appears to be causing more stress, stop, and work on calming your dog. >> >> Anticipate your dog's fear. To curb stress and anxiety, engage with >> your dog before the storm hits. Prepare indoor activities, and make sure >> your dog's safe place is set up. >> >> • Do not punish a dog exhibiting fear or anxiety during a storm. This is not >> bad behavior – your dog has a genuine phobia. >> • Be patient and kind. It may take time for your dog to improve. >> • If you know a thunderstorm is coming, let your dog outside to go to >> the bathroom. Once the storm starts the dog is unlikely to go outside to >> relieve itself. >> >> >> From: https://www.wikihow.com/Calm-a-Dog-During-Thunderstorms >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must >> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of >> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have >> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted >> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf >> Of Shirley Baker >> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 6:36 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Lightning alert >> >> No, it's not. I happen to know some people who have used them on their dogs >> and they say they help. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Janet Bell <tagli...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> are you sure this just isn't a scam to get you to spend money? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Baker >>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Lightning alert >>> >>> The best I understand, it's not just any sweater or teashirt but it's a >>> certain kind you buy but someone who knows more can correct me if I'm >>> wrong. I've heard commercials on TV about buying these special items for >>> dogs. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Janet Bell <tagli...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> forgive a stjupid question but what is putting a sweater on a dog when >>>> there is lightening about going to do for the dog? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jennie Facer >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:02 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Lightning alert >>>> >>>> Simon, >>>> >>>> If you were paying attention to this thread, a person was wanting to put a >>>> sweater on her dog that makes her feel better when lightning strikes and >>>> it is thundering. She is doing it for her dog!!! >>>> >>>> Jenn >>>> >>>> Jenn and Kumi >>>> >>>>>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:49 AM, Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If an app is going to tell you when lightening has struck, I >>>>> don't see the point? >>>>> >>>>> If it's struck then it's not an issue And if you're worried about >>>>> it striking you when you're out, Then if it's already struck, it >>>>> will be way to late to look at your phone as neither yu or your phone >>>>> will be working. >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On >>>>> Behalf Of Jennie Facer >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 9:00 AM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Lightning alert >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I have had Weather Gods for quite some time, and it has never alerted me >>>>> to when lightning has struck. 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