By the way the sweater thing does not always work I bought a thunder shirt for 
my lab Who is terrified of thunderstorms and I put it on several hours before 
hand when I knew storms were coming and when the storms came she was just as 
terrified as she was without the shirt

> On Jun 21, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Ann Byrne <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Which is why I would like to be alerted when the lightning is a few miles 
> away and I can get her sweater before she becomes stiff and unmovable.
> At 02:10 PM 6/21/2020, you wrote:
>> Maybe folks should call their dog guide schools and inquire.
>> Those schools who have follow-up training support maybe could come and work 
>> with your dog.
>> 
>> That, or check with the Canada school that Sieghard attended.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,† and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>> Edward Herbert
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:34 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert
>> 
>> My first dog was from Leader Dogs, but that was a long time ago oin 1994, 
>> then in 2005 I got my second dog from BC Guide Dog Services here in British 
>> Columbia, Canada and that is also where I got my current dog in 2015.
>> My first and my current dogs are both yellow labs and my second one was a 
>> black lab/golden retriever mix.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:32 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert
>> 
>> I've known several dog guide owners whose dogs were terrified of thunder 
>> storms.
>> Which school did yours come from?
>> Maybe they do a better job than some.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,† and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>> Edward Herbert
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:27 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert
>> 
>> I was under the impression guide dog schools tested dogs for this, I have 
>> had 3 dogs and none of them had any fear whatsoever of thunderstorms, 
>> fireworks or gunshots.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
>> Caitlyn Furness
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 8:41 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert
>> 
>> The conbination of the thunder shirt and a crate vastly improved my GSd 
>> seeing eye dog during thunderstorms and fireworks.
>> 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jun 21, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Steve Sweeney <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > O' just one more!  I used a thunder Shirt with my first Seeing Eye dog all 
>> > the time.  They have been around for almost 15 years.  They work for some 
>> > dogs and not for others as much.
>> > -Steve
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
>> > Jennie Facer
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 10:44 AM
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE:
>> > Lightning alert
>> >
>> > I won’t try to keep this thread going, but thanks so much to Richard. I 
>> > will go way beyond to defend these wonderful creatures! I wasn’t trying 
>> > to start a flame fight or anuything like that. Thanks for clearing it all 
>> > up.
>> >
>> > Jenn
>> >
>> > Jenn and Kumi
>> >
>> >> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Richard Turner <[email protected]> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How to Calm a Dog During Thunderstorms Beverly Ulbrich, MBA Dog
>> >> Behaviorist & Trainer March 25, 2020
>> >>
>> >> Many dogs are terrified of thunderstorms. The loud noises, static
>> >> electricity, and barometric pressure changes cause fear, anxiety, and
>> >> panic. In this state, dogs can injure themselves and damage property.
>> >> Learn how to manage your dog's fear during this frightening storm,
>> >> and improve its response to the
>> >>
>> >> Part 1
>> >> Calming Your Dog
>> >> Call your dog as the storm begins. Don't wait until the storm is fully 
>> >> underway to find your dog. Call your dog to your side as soon as you hear 
>> >> thunder.
>> >>
>> >> Remain calm. Your dog can sense anxiety. If you are upset, your dog will 
>> >> know, and this will only make matters worse.
>> >> During a storm, give your dog no indications that something is wrong. 
>> >> Follow the same routine you would any other night. Smile and speak in a 
>> >> calm, reassuring tone.
>> >> • Even reassuring the dog can convince it that something is wronng. Help 
>> >> your dog by being calm and happy, not by overloading it with sympathy.
>> >> • Soft singing can help calm some dogs.
>> >>
>> >> Find a safe place. Find a small "safe spot" for the dog to hide. Ideally, 
>> >> this spot will block light and noise, while allowing the dog to be near 
>> >> its owner.
>> >> Here are a few options:
>> >> • Under a table or bed
>> >> • In a dog crate, with a blanket draped over it • In a ca closet or
>> >> windowless bathroom
>> >>
>> >> Swaddle your dog. Try wrapping a garment around your dog or let the dog 
>> >> huddle under your arm on the sofa. Your dog may feel reassured by the 
>> >> added pressure, much like a baby feels safe when swaddled. If this seems 
>> >> to help, consider buying a special anti-anxiety garment, such as the 
>> >> Thundershirt or Anxiety Wrap.  The garment should be snug around the 
>> >> dog's chest, but make sure you get one in the correct size for the best 
>> >> result, to ensure the acupressure points throughout the body are being 
>> >> targeted, and to avoid injuring your dog.
>> >> • Some of these garments (Anxiety Wrap) press against acupressurre points 
>> >> associated with stress relief.
>> >> • If you're in hot weather conditions and are concerned about yoour dog 
>> >> overheating, some garments (Anxiety Wrap) can be moistened with water. 
>> >> The air flowing through the moistened fabric will act as a cooling agent. 
>> >> Always supervise your dog if you're concerned about health/safety.
>> >> • Some of these garments are also appropriate to put on your dogg and
>> >> help him/her stay calm if you need to leave the house. Consult the 
>> >> product directions for safety information.
>> >>
>> >> Block the noise. A loud television, music, or other source of noise 
>> >> (washing machine) can help drown out the thunder.
>> >> Choose a sound your dog finds familiar and comforting.
>> >> • Covering the dog's ears can also help.
>> >>
>> >> Avoid windows and the outdoors. If possible, keep your dog away from 
>> >> windows, or put up heavy curtains. Seeing the flash of lightning can be 
>> >> an additional source of anxiety. Block the dog's access to exits, since 
>> >> some scared dogs may try to run away or harm visitors.
>> >>
>> >> Play games.
>> >> Encourage your dog to participate in indoor activities. You could
>> >> play fetch or put on music and dance together. Try to find an activity 
>> >> that will turn your dog's attention away from the storm.
>> >>
>> >> Consider home remedies. These include herbal and homeopathic remedies to 
>> >> treat anxiety. Always use remedies specifically intended for dogs. Some 
>> >> essential oils that work for humans may cause discomfort or injury in 
>> >> animals. Less concentrated doses are usually required as well.
>> >> • Be sure to consult your veterinarian before using, the oils arre
>> >> very concentrated and can be harmful to your skin as well as your dog's. 
>> >> They can also damage furniture.
>> >> • Lavender is one popular option that seems to help dogs, when uused in 
>> >> the correct dose.
>> >> • Another option is petting your dog with a dryer sheet- it reduuces 
>> >> static.
>> >>
>> >> Talk to your vet about medication. If these methods are ineffective, ask 
>> >> your vet about anti-anxiety medications.
>> >> Your dog can take some medications such as amitriptyline for the duration 
>> >> of the storm season. There are also quick-acting medications such as 
>> >> acepromazine ("Ace") or diazepam that can be taken for individual storms.
>> >>
>> >> • To be effective, quick-acting medications must be administeredd before 
>> >> your dog exhibits any behavioral changes.
>> >> • Never give a dog medication without consulting a veterinarian  first.
>> >>
>> >> Part 2
>> >> Preventing Your Dog's Fear
>> >> Desensitize your dog.
>> >> To teach your dog that storms are nothing to fear, play a recording
>> >> of a thunderstorm on very low volume for several hours, once a week.
>> >> Each week, if the dog shows no signs of agitation, turn up the volume 
>> >> slightly. It can take a long time for your dog to adapt, but eventually 
>> >> your dog may learn not to fear thunder.
>> >> • If this agitates your dog too much, start with 5­10 mi minute daily 
>> >> sessions instead.
>> >>
>> >> Expert Trick: While you play thunder sounds for your dog, give them a
>> >> bone to chew on or toy to play with. Furthermore, you can give your
>> >> dog treats and give commands to keep their focus on you and make the 
>> >> experience a happy occasion. This will help make thunderstorms seem like 
>> >> a normal experience and keep them from getting scared during a real one.
>> >>
>> >> Encourage calm behavior.
>> >> Give your dog a treat or a toy when it shows calm behavior during a 
>> >> storm, or when it obeys a command despite its fear. Train it to respond 
>> >> to a "relax,"
>> >> "calm," or "settle" command.
>> >> • Training your dog with an indoor leash is also highly effectivve.
>> >> For example, treat your house like an indoor obstacle course and lead 
>> >> your dog around asking him/her to perform certain commands. If at any 
>> >> time this appears to be causing more stress, stop, and work on calming 
>> >> your dog.
>> >>
>> >> Anticipate your dog's fear. To curb stress and anxiety, engage with
>> >> your dog before the storm hits. Prepare indoor activities, and make sure 
>> >> your dog's safe place is set up.
>> >>
>> >> • Do not punish a dog exhibiting fear or anxiety during a storm.. This is 
>> >> not bad behavior ­ your dog has a genuine phobia.
>> >> • Be patient and kind. It may take time for your dog to improve..
>> >> • If you know a thunderstorm is coming, let your dog outside to  go to
>> >> the bathroom. Once the storm starts the dog is unlikely to go outside to 
>> >> relieve itself.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From:
>> >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
>> >> .wikihow.com%2FCalm-a-Dog-During-Thunderstorms&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Richard
>> >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
>> >> pass himself,† and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
>> >> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
>> >> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted
>> >> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf
>> >> Of Shirley Baker
>> >> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 6:36 AM
>> >> To: [email protected]
>> >> Subject: Re: Lightning alert
>> >>
>> >> No, it's not. I happen to know some people who have used them on their 
>> >> dogs and they say they help.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Janet Bell <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> are you sure this just isn't a scam to get you to spend money?
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Baker
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:27 PM
>> >>> To: [email protected]
>> >>> Subject: Re: Lightning alert
>> >>>
>> >>> The best I understand, it's not just any sweater or teashirt but it's a 
>> >>> certain kind you buy but someone who knows more can correct me if I'm 
>> >>> wrong. I've heard commercials on TV about buying these special items for 
>> >>> dogs.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>>>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Janet Bell <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> forgive a stjupid question but what is putting a sweater on a dog 
>> >>>> when there is lightening about going to do for the dog?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jennie Facer
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:02 PM
>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>> >>>> Subject: Re: Lightning alert
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Simon,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If you were paying attention to this thread, a person was wanting to 
>> >>>> put a sweater on her dog that makes her feel better when lightning 
>> >>>> strikes and it is thundering. She is doing it for her dog!!!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jenn
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jenn and Kumi
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:49 AM, Simon A Fogarty <[email protected]> 
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If an app is going to tell you when lightening has struck, I
>> >>>>> don't see the point?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If it's struck then it's not an issue And if you're worried about
>> >>>>> it striking you when you're out, Then if it's already struck, it
>> >>>>> will be way to late to look at your phone as neither yu or your phone 
>> >>>>> will be working.
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
>> >>>>> Behalf Of Jennie Facer
>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 9:00 AM
>> >>>>> To: [email protected]
>> >>>>> Subject: Lightning alert
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have had Weather Gods for quite some time, and it has never alerted 
>> >>>>> me to when lightning has struck. Other than that, I love the app.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jenn
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jenn and Kumi
>> >>>>>
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