Yes, if only we could talk to them and make them understand it is ok and they are not going to get hurt. -Steve
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 10:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert I have had 8 guide dogs and my first one was the only one that truly showed any fear of storms. But she was a trooper and up till her last year here when her fear escalated in to just plain fear of sounds, that she handled it quite well in spite of her obvious dislike of storms where she'd go hide if she could, or she would tremble until I would just lay my hand on her and talk to her calmly. Patti -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 7:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert Before I tell you all about the Netty and Guy story and thunder story, I've never heard in all these many years from 1976 when I got my dog and all these years of many friends attending the different guide dog schools including leader dog, amoungst so many things that goes into a dog's training in being fully prepared and ready to handle everything that comes their way, I never heard of a guide dog school working with the dogs on fear of thunder, but that's probably something that's included with so many other things in their training and preparation for being a guide dog. Of course, just like people dogs have other fears. Though it does seem comon that many dogs have a fear of thunder and fire works, but just like common fears that people have, amoungst dogs too, not every dog or person have those most common fears. It would probably would be beneficial if the guide dog schools worked with the dogs with the fear of thunder, and possibly many of the schools are doing just that and we're not aware of that. That could be important if you're either a block or 2 from home or a block or 2 from transportation to get you home, it wouldn't be the best situation for your dog to be very frightened. Though in a situation such as that hopefully it would be great if there was a place very near by where you could wait until the rain and thunder is over. So While this isn't a guide dog support group, it would be a sad reflection on a guide dog school to asume that fears including the fear of thunder isn't worked on with the dogs, especially on what we individually know. Of all the dogs I've known, pet dogs and guide dogs with the exception of one dog, all the dogs had a fear of thunder. It's something that can vary from person to person, concerning the dogs they know, for example another person might say, the majority dogs I know aren't a fraid, or in terms of duge dogs, someone could say that they know 5 dogs from such and such guide dog school that have no fear of thunder and 2 that are afraid of thunder, and that they know 6 dogs from another guide dog school where 3 of the dogs are afraraid of thunder and 3 that aren't. I would habe to hear that would be the determining thing about one school being better than the other, there's just so very manythings they work on with preparing and training the dogs and of course all of that is something we all know. Now for the Netty and Guy story, both guide dogs from guiding eyes, Netty was my dog and she was a yellow labrador, and Guy was a german shepherd that belonged to my friend Greg. Along with a few other fwith Greg, at his apartment, It was the 4th of july in about 1979, you could hear fire crackers and on top of that it began to thunder. Knowing how scared Netty was of thunder storms I went to her, and found her lying on one of the couches really scared. Then Guy came into the living room, and was just walking around the room, to him everything was fine, just barking here and there. Clearly he wasn't nervous or a fraid of the fire works and thunder, and I was thinking it was as if he was trying to tell us something. Fast forward about 6 months later, this one night, in our own apartment, it began thundering and raining, this time it was different for netty, while she seemed still a little nervous about the thunder, it was nothing like other times when she was so scared of it, and she even barked somewhat like Guy did. So we just know Guy must have been helping her not to be afraid of thunder, and she remembered that and he helped her with that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:00 PM Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert I also thought that was one of the things the dog schools screened dogs for, but my husband and I have had three dogs, from Guiding Eyes and Seeing Eye, and all of them had a real fear of thunderstorms. If we were outside somewhere and it started to thunder, my husband's first dog would just plant his feet and refuse to go any further. He would turn around and go back home as fast as he could, but not go any further the other direction. ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Sieghard Weitzel [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert My first dog was from Leader Dogs, but that was a long time ago oin 1994, then in 2005 I got my second dog from BC Guide Dog Services here in British Columbia, Canada and that is also where I got my current dog in 2015. My first and my current dogs are both yellow labs and my second one was a black lab/golden retriever mix. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert I've known several dog guide owners whose dogs were terrified of thunder storms. Which school did yours come from? Maybe they do a better job than some. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert I was under the impression guide dog schools tested dogs for this, I have had 3 dogs and none of them had any fear whatsoever of thunderstorms, fireworks or gunshots. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 8:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert The conbination of the thunder shirt and a crate vastly improved my GSd seeing eye dog during thunderstorms and fireworks. Caitlyn > On Jun 21, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Steve Sweeney <[email protected]> wrote: > > O' just one more! I used a thunder Shirt with my first Seeing Eye dog > all the time. They have been around for almost 15 years. They work > for some dogs and not for others as much. > -Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Jennie Facer > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 10:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: > Lightning alert > > I won’t try to keep this thread going, but thanks so much to Richard. > I will go way beyond to defend these wonderful creatures! I wasn’t > trying to start a flame fight or anuything like that. Thanks for clearing it > all up. > > Jenn > > Jenn and Kumi > >> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Richard Turner >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> How to Calm a Dog During Thunderstorms Beverly Ulbrich, MBA Dog >> Behaviorist & Trainer March 25, 2020 >> >> Many dogs are terrified of thunderstorms. The loud noises, static >> electricity, and barometric pressure changes cause fear, anxiety, and >> panic. In this state, dogs can injure themselves and damage property. >> Learn how to manage your dog's fear during this frightening storm, >> and improve its response to the >> >> Part 1 >> Calming Your Dog >> Call your dog as the storm begins. Don't wait until the storm is >> fully underway to find your dog. Call your dog to your side as soon >> as you hear thunder. >> >> Remain calm. Your dog can sense anxiety. If you are upset, your dog >> will know, and this will only make matters worse. >> During a storm, give your dog no indications that something is wrong. >> Follow the same routine you would any other night. Smile and speak in >> a calm, reassuring tone. >> • Even reassuring the dog can convince it that something is wrong. >> Help your dog by being calm and happy, not by overloading it with sympathy. >> • Soft singing can help calm some dogs. >> >> Find a safe place. Find a small "safe spot" for the dog to hide. >> Ideally, this spot will block light and noise, while allowing the dog >> to be near its owner. >> Here are a few options: >> • Under a table or bed >> • In a dog crate, with a blanket draped over it • In a closet or >> windowless bathroom >> >> Swaddle your dog. Try wrapping a garment around your dog or let the >> dog huddle under your arm on the sofa. Your dog may feel reassured by >> the added pressure, much like a baby feels safe when swaddled. If >> this seems to help, consider buying a special anti-anxiety garment, >> such as the Thundershirt or Anxiety Wrap. The garment should be snug >> around the dog's chest, but make sure you get one in the correct size >> for the best result, to ensure the acupressure points throughout the >> body are being targeted, and to avoid injuring your dog. >> • Some of these garments (Anxiety Wrap) press against acupressure >> points associated with stress relief. >> • If you're in hot weather conditions and are concerned about your >> dog overheating, some garments (Anxiety Wrap) can be moistened with water. >> The air flowing through the moistened fabric will act as a cooling agent. >> Always supervise your dog if you're concerned about health/safety. >> • Some of these garments are also appropriate to put on your dog and >> help him/her stay calm if you need to leave the house. Consult the >> product directions for safety information. >> >> Block the noise. A loud television, music, or other source of noise >> (washing machine) can help drown out the thunder. >> Choose a sound your dog finds familiar and comforting. >> • Covering the dog's ears can also help. >> >> Avoid windows and the outdoors. If possible, keep your dog away from >> windows, or put up heavy curtains. Seeing the flash of lightning can >> be an additional source of anxiety. Block the dog's access to exits, >> since some scared dogs may try to run away or harm visitors. >> >> Play games. >> Encourage your dog to participate in indoor activities. You could >> play fetch or put on music and dance together. Try to find an >> activity that will turn your dog's attention away from the storm. >> >> Consider home remedies. These include herbal and homeopathic remedies >> to treat anxiety. Always use remedies specifically intended for dogs. >> Some essential oils that work for humans may cause discomfort or >> injury in animals. Less concentrated doses are usually required as well. >> • Be sure to consult your veterinarian before using, the oils are >> very concentrated and can be harmful to your skin as well as your dog's. >> They can also damage furniture. >> • Lavender is one popular option that seems to help dogs, when used >> in the correct dose. >> • Another option is petting your dog with a dryer sheet- it reduces >> static. >> >> Talk to your vet about medication. If these methods are ineffective, >> ask your vet about anti-anxiety medications. >> Your dog can take some medications such as amitriptyline for the >> duration of the storm season. There are also quick-acting medications >> such as acepromazine ("Ace") or diazepam that can be taken for individual >> storms. >> >> • To be effective, quick-acting medications must be administered >> before your dog exhibits any behavioral changes. >> • Never give a dog medication without consulting a veterinarian first. >> >> Part 2 >> Preventing Your Dog's Fear >> Desensitize your dog. >> To teach your dog that storms are nothing to fear, play a recording >> of a thunderstorm on very low volume for several hours, once a week. >> Each week, if the dog shows no signs of agitation, turn up the volume >> slightly. It can take a long time for your dog to adapt, but >> eventually your dog may learn not to fear thunder. >> • If this agitates your dog too much, start with 5–10 minute daily >> sessions instead. >> >> Expert Trick: While you play thunder sounds for your dog, give them a >> bone to chew on or toy to play with. Furthermore, you can give your >> dog treats and give commands to keep their focus on you and make the >> experience a happy occasion. This will help make thunderstorms seem >> like a normal experience and keep them from getting scared during a real one. >> >> Encourage calm behavior. >> Give your dog a treat or a toy when it shows calm behavior during a >> storm, or when it obeys a command despite its fear. Train it to >> respond to a "relax," >> "calm," or "settle" command. >> • Training your dog with an indoor leash is also highly effective. >> For example, treat your house like an indoor obstacle course and lead >> your dog around asking him/her to perform certain commands. If at any >> time this appears to be causing more stress, stop, and work on >> calming your dog. >> >> Anticipate your dog's fear. To curb stress and anxiety, engage with >> your dog before the storm hits. Prepare indoor activities, and make >> sure your dog's safe place is set up. >> >> • Do not punish a dog exhibiting fear or anxiety during a storm. This >> is not bad behavior – your dog has a genuine phobia. >> • Be patient and kind. It may take time for your dog to improve. >> • If you know a thunderstorm is coming, let your dog outside to go to >> the bathroom. Once the storm starts the dog is unlikely to go outside >> to relieve itself. >> >> >> From: >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww >> .wikihow.com%2FCalm-a-Dog-During-Thunderstorms&data=02%7C01%7C%7C >> bbdc5dce2c8141f1a58408d81610c483%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7 >> C1%7C0%7C637283608554222393&sdata=J7FESrhDVyEIMuTd7NENODzW30CBPTE >> yX81NnHn8m9E%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must >> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of >> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have >> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted >> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >> Of Shirley Baker >> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 6:36 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Lightning alert >> >> No, it's not. I happen to know some people who have used them on >> their dogs and they say they help. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Janet Bell <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> are you sure this just isn't a scam to get you to spend money? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Baker >>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:27 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Lightning alert >>> >>> The best I understand, it's not just any sweater or teashirt but >>> it's a certain kind you buy but someone who knows more can correct >>> me if I'm wrong. I've heard commercials on TV about buying these >>> special items for dogs. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Janet Bell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> forgive a stjupid question but what is putting a sweater on a dog >>>> when there is lightening about going to do for the dog? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jennie Facer >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:02 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Lightning alert >>>> >>>> Simon, >>>> >>>> If you were paying attention to this thread, a person was wanting >>>> to put a sweater on her dog that makes her feel better when >>>> lightning strikes and it is thundering. She is doing it for her dog!!! >>>> >>>> Jenn >>>> >>>> Jenn and Kumi >>>> >>>>>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:49 AM, Simon A Fogarty >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If an app is going to tell you when lightening has struck, I >>>>> don't see the point? >>>>> >>>>> If it's struck then it's not an issue And if you're worried about >>>>> it striking you when you're out, Then if it's already struck, it >>>>> will be way to late to look at your phone as neither yu or your >>>>> phone will be working. >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On >>>>> Behalf Of Jennie Facer >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 9:00 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Lightning alert >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I have had Weather Gods for quite some time, and it has never >>>>> alerted me to when lightning has struck. 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