exactly please stop making excuses for Apple. How else would someone test the device. If this was something that gave the sighted people issue this would have been a delayed release. Public beta so why wasn't this done right. Apple also should make the watch down gradable with out needing to send it in.
On 8/16/20, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure what I should look into more. The petition, which I did read, > says nothing about someone installing a beta with a VoiceOver bug after they > were warned not to by Apple. The petition just said that a public beta was > made available but blind people using VoiceOver couldn't participate due to > a VoiceOver bug. IMHO, if a public beta is made available to the sighted > then it should also be made available to the blind. It seems pretty cut and > dry to me. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Gmail > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >> Of Simon A Fogarty >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:30 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully >> excluding >> disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> >> Hi Christopher, >> >> You should read more into it, >> >> The person behind this idea did install the pb for watch os 7 to their >> primary >> watch device and voiceover wasn't working >> >> Apple do state that you shouldn't put a beta on to a primary device as it >> is a beta >> and therefore may cause issues that mean the device wont work correctly, >> >> This person had to send their watch away to have it setup again and blaims >> this >> all on appples attitude towards visually impaired users of there devices >> When it >> really comes down to the users ignorance and not listening to apples >> suggestion. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >> Of [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2020 9:01 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully >> excluding >> disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> >> I didn't see anything in the petition that said anyone went ahead and >> installed >> the beta even after Apple warned that voiceOver users shouldn't install >> the beta. >> The point of the petition, as I read it, is that Apple shouldn't exclude >> blind people >> from participating in the public beta because of such a serious and known >> VoiceOver bug. I myself do find a lot of petitions are frivolous and over >> the top, >> but I don't have a problem with this one myself. >> >> -- >> Christopher (AKA CJ) >> Chaltain at Gmail >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >> Of >> > Donna Casteen >> > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:17 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully >> > excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> > >> > I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This petition >> > was started because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING >> > to NEVER install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is >> > YOUR main device! Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta >> > update & installed the beta version on their Apple watch that they >> > RELY on & USE daily! Beta versions of any program WILL have bugs. The >> > fact that Apple is a company that stands behind their products making >> > them accessible for the blind & those with other disabilities, does >> > NOT exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having bugs. Nor does this >> > bug >> prevent those who are blind taking part in the public beta testing >> process. >> > Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated with ALL Apple >> > watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of the >> > bug. >> > Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on fixing >> > the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate in the >> > public beta testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing >> > Apple for a problem that they were working toward fixing, is wrong. >> > The Blame solely lies with Apple watch user(s), who in their poor >> > judgement decided to install the public beta on a device, in which is >> > used daily. >> > >> > It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's >> > beta testing program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of >> > the iDevices would always have major bugs, making the iDevices >> > unusable. Apple is a large company. The population that is blind & who >> > use Apple products is very small. If this type of placing blame where >> > it is obvious it does not belong & publically criticizing Apple for >> > something that at the time was out of their control, but Apple was >> > working >> toward fixing: Apple is in the end going to do 1 of 2 things 1. >> > No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing process. >> > Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 2. Apple throws >> > in the towel, giving up on trying to make their products accessible for >> > such a >> small population of people. >> > Neither of these scenarios are in the best interest of blind iDevice >> > users. >> > >> > When beta testing follow Apple's guidelines or otherwise DO NOT >> > complain when your device stops working! >> > >> > -- >> > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> > list. >> > >> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >> > itself. >> > >> > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> > [email protected]. 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