Yep.
Now imagine if the digital crown didn't work, and sioghted users were told
not to install the public beta for Watch OS7. Does anyone think that they'd
stand for that?
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From: chalt...@gmail.com
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Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org
I'm not sure what I should look into more. The petition, which I did read,
says nothing about someone installing a beta with a VoiceOver bug after they
were warned not to by Apple. The petition just said that a public beta was
made available but blind people using VoiceOver couldn't participate due to
a VoiceOver bug. IMHO, if a public beta is made available to the sighted
then it should also be made available to the blind. It seems pretty cut and
dry to me.
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Of Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully
excluding
disabled people from public betas · Change.org
Hi Christopher,
You should read more into it,
The person behind this idea did install the pb for watch os 7 to their
primary
watch device and voiceover wasn't working
Apple do state that you shouldn't put a beta on to a primary device as it
is a beta
and therefore may cause issues that mean the device wont work correctly,
This person had to send their watch away to have it setup again and blaims
this
all on appples attitude towards visually impaired users of there devices
When it
really comes down to the users ignorance and not listening to apples
suggestion.
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Of chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2020 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully
excluding
disabled people from public betas · Change.org
I didn't see anything in the petition that said anyone went ahead and
installed
the beta even after Apple warned that voiceOver users shouldn't install
the beta.
The point of the petition, as I read it, is that Apple shouldn't exclude
blind people
from participating in the public beta because of such a serious and known
VoiceOver bug. I myself do find a lot of petitions are frivolous and over
the top,
but I don't have a problem with this one myself.
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
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> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully
> excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org
>
> I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This petition
> was started because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING
> to NEVER install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is
> YOUR main device! Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta
> update & installed the beta version on their Apple watch that they
> RELY on & USE daily! Beta versions of any program WILL have bugs. The
> fact that Apple is a company that stands behind their products making
> them accessible for the blind & those with other disabilities, does
> NOT exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having bugs. Nor does this
> bug
prevent those who are blind taking part in the public beta testing
process.
> Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated with ALL Apple
> watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of the bug.
> Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on fixing
> the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate in the
> public beta testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing
> Apple for a problem that they were working toward fixing, is wrong.
> The Blame solely lies with Apple watch user(s), who in their poor
> judgement decided to install the public beta on a device, in which is
> used daily.
>
> It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's
> beta testing program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of
> the iDevices would always have major bugs, making the iDevices
> unusable. Apple is a large company. The population that is blind & who
> use Apple products is very small. If this type of placing blame where
> it is obvious it does not belong & publically criticizing Apple for
> something that at the time was out of their control, but Apple was
> working
toward fixing: Apple is in the end going to do 1 of 2 things 1.
> No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing process.
> Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 2. Apple throws
> in the towel, giving up on trying to make their products accessible for
> such a
small population of people.
> Neither of these scenarios are in the best interest of blind iDevice
> users.
>
> When beta testing follow Apple's guidelines or otherwise DO NOT
> complain when your device stops working!
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